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Re: Changing definitions

by Paul Sperry <plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 12, 2008 at 03:40 PM

In article <_X4ek.4829$Ek.1538@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Jack <jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

> "Paul Sperry" <plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:110720082303066299%plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > In article <czRdk.60924$7v1.18433@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Jack
<jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Paul Sperry" <plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> news:110720081503413540%plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > In article <8tMdk.2$Ek.1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Jack <jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

[...]

> I can't say that I have a clear view of what the answer to my question
is. I 
> am quite happy with the second of my definitions; it was written out for
me 
> by a mathematician. The first, I lay down as 'Fix t to be the function
such 
> that t: N --> N is arbitrary'; but doubtless this is inadequate...?
> I am just concerned about the other definitions that are dependent upon
t.
> Cheers. 
> 
> 

OK. Here is your original post in this thread:
"I have got two definitions of t; the first I fix with the definition
let t : N ---> N be arbitrary'. In the second, I have t as the number
of primes in a set J that divide n. Immediately after the first
definition, I define c(n) as (t(n)(t(n)-1))/2. Is it OK to retain this
definition - without any statement - once I move on to my second
definition?"

I _think_ I know what you meant but let me deconstruct to see what you
actually _said_.

>I have got two definitions of t; 

You already know this is going to get you in trouble.

>the first I fix with the definition 'let t : N ---> N be arbitrary'. 

This isn't a definition and you can't "fix" an arbitrary function.

>In the second, I have t as the number of primes in a set J that 
>divide n. 

If you ignore what has gone before this is a perfectly good definition
of t : |N -> |N. At least relative to J - if you ever want two
different sets of primes in action at the same time you'll have
notational difficulties.

>Immediately after the first definition, I define c(n) as
>(t(n)(t(n)-1))/2. 

This is a problem since your first "definition" didn't define anything
so c(n) could be virtually any number.

I think the first "definition" was in regard to the _letter_ "t" and it
was supposed to say that the letter "t" was going to stand for a
function from |N to |N.

Here is what I think you meant:

"Let J be a set of primes and for n in |N define 
t(n) = |{p in J : p divides n}| and let c(n) = (1/2)*t(n)*(t(n) - 1)."

If this is indeed what you mean, you may now use "t" for the above
function until you explicitly change the meaning of "t". To elaborate
further, "t" is now the _name_ of the function that associates with
each non-negative integer the number of primes in J which divide it -
it is unwise to mistake the function for its name.

-- 
Paul Sperry
Columbia, SC (USA)
 




 51 Posts in Topic:
Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 18:09:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 15:03:41 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 23:57:13 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 23:03:06 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 17:27:39 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 15:40:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 21:41:11 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 17:14:26 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 23:10:52 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 22:34:14 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 14:38:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 14:01:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 19:37:54 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 17:29:38 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 03:25:35 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 00:56:30 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:40 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 17:22:16 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 23:06:49 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-15 20:59:41 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 17:45:58 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 22:10:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 22:27:36 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 23:29:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Sperry <plsperry@[EMAI  2008-07-16 00:21:48 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 00:28:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-16 11:19:33 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 15:53:37 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 12:48:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 13:37:54 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 16:11:57 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 20:53:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 21:07:58 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-17 15:46:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-17 13:03:21 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-18 22:39:01 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 00:04:48 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 14:47:38 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 10:41:53 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 22:58:04 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 14:38:03 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-20 19:50:56 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 15:06:40 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-20 15:11:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2008-07-20 14:03:39 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 16:17:19 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:58:47 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:59:54 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 21:39:11 
Re: Changing definitions
William Elliot <marsh@  2008-07-12 00:12:00 

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