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Re: Changing definitions

by Paul Sperry <plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 12, 2008 at 10:34 PM

In article <MZ9ek.167569$8H5.31103@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Jack
<jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Paul,
> 
> > So you want something like
> >
> > "If f : |N -> |N , let c_f(n) = (1/2)*f(n)*(f(n) - 1)"
> >
> > Since c depends on the function it must be tagged somehow with the
> > function name.
> >
> > You can then continue:
> >
> > "Let J be a set of primes and for n in |N define
> > t(n) = |{p in J : p divides n}|".
> >
> > Then you can refer to c_t(n) if needs be.
> 
> I don't quite know whether your reply answers the issue I have here, but
my 
> problem is not writing out the definition of t(n) for which t(n) is 
> determined by the divisibility on n. I've got that done already. 

Yes, I know, but your notation has not settled down yet.

> It's 
> writing out the definition of t: N ---> N is arbitrary, and my not
knowing 
> whether the change in definition of t(n) will mean that anything needs
to be 
> said as regards c(n), which after the second definition is laid down
becomes 
> c(n,J).

You can't do that; c and c(-,J) are two different things. What you
_can_ do is call your "count the divisors" function t_J and then
_define_ c(n, J) = c_(t_j)(n). In fact that wouldn't be a bad idea
since subscripted subscripts are to be avoided if possible.

Previously, referring to "arbitrary" t and "count the divisors" t you
wrote "But I want c(n) to be (t(n)(t(n)-1))/2 for both cases." That led
me to believe that you wanted c to be defined by the indicated
expression no matter what the function t was. 

Let me emphasize since c_f _does_ depend on f it must be tagged somehow
with f. You seem to be reluctant to do that and it is going to cause
you problems - like using "t" for two different functions.

When I wrote "If f : |N -> |N , let c_f(n) = (1/2)*f(n)*(f(n) - 1)" I
was saying that, no matter what the function is, c_f is defined the way
you indicated. Since I said nothing about f except that it was a
function from |N to |N that _automatically_ makes it "arbitrary".

What do you think "arbitrary" means? I'm not being snotty; it seems you
are reading more into it than there is. It is rarely necessary or
desirable to say something is "arbitrary". If I say let g : |N ->|N and
nothing else, g is "arbitrary". If I say h : |N -> |N and h(4) = 0 then
h is _not_ arbitrary.

-- 
Paul Sperry
Columbia, SC (USA)
 




 51 Posts in Topic:
Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 18:09:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 15:03:41 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 23:57:13 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 23:03:06 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 17:27:39 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 15:40:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 21:41:11 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 17:14:26 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 23:10:52 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 22:34:14 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 14:38:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 14:01:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 19:37:54 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 17:29:38 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 03:25:35 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 00:56:30 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:40 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 17:22:16 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 23:06:49 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-15 20:59:41 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 17:45:58 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 22:10:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 22:27:36 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 23:29:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Sperry <plsperry@[EMAI  2008-07-16 00:21:48 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 00:28:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-16 11:19:33 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 15:53:37 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 12:48:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 13:37:54 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 16:11:57 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 20:53:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 21:07:58 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-17 15:46:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-17 13:03:21 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-18 22:39:01 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 00:04:48 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 14:47:38 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 10:41:53 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 22:58:04 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 14:38:03 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-20 19:50:56 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 15:06:40 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-20 15:11:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2008-07-20 14:03:39 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 16:17:19 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:58:47 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:59:54 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 21:39:11 
Re: Changing definitions
William Elliot <marsh@  2008-07-12 00:12:00 

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