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Re: Changing definitions

by Paul Sperry <plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 14, 2008 at 12:56 AM

In article <wOyek.209518$312.194887@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Jack
<jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Paul,
> 
> >> Well, I've got, for example, N(x,y), which is the sum of t(n) -- or, 
> >> later,
> >> t_J(n) -- 
> >
> > You mean t = t_J is a particular case. You should probably "tag" with
> > "t": like N(x, y, t).
> 
> So maybe it would be N(x, y, t) for the arbitrary case and N(x, y,
t_{J}(n)) 
> for the non-arbitrary?

Well, close anyway. Here's what I would do:
For interval {a, a + 1, ..., a + d} and function f : |N -> |N define
N(a,f) = sum(f(n) : n = a, ..., a + d). That would be the _general_
case. For the particular case using t_J I would, without comment, write
N(a, t_J).

> What I thought would help most is if I could say that t(n) is a value a,
and 
> if a is arbitrary it is denoted by A, so we have N(x,y,A) and c(n,A),
and if 
> a is determined by divisibility, it's N(x,y,J) and c(n,J). How does that

> sound? 

Frankly, it sounds awful. For a _fixed_ n you could write t(n) = a. For
example if t(30) = 3 then a = 3 but, unless I've badly misunderstood,
N(x,y,3) makes no sense. Renaming A = 3 doesn't help.

I suppose you could introduce notation N(x,y,J) = N(x,y,t_J) but I
wouldn't recommend it - you don't want to do very much of that sort of
thing.

I wish you would eliminate the word "arbitrary" from your vocabulary -
you have been terribly abusing it.

Two minute lecture on functions:

\begin{lecture}

Let A = {1, 2, 3, 4}; let B = {a, b, c, d}. Here is a function from A
to B: {(1, a), (2, c), (3, a), (4, d)}.

We know it is a function from A to B because
(i) it is a subset of A x B;
(ii) every element of A is paired with an element of B;
(iii) no (single) element of A is paired with more than one element of
B.

Rather than to need to keep writing out the set, we'll give it a name:
Bob.

So we have Bob : A -> B.

Now Bob(1) = a is signified by the fact that (1, a) belongs to Bob.
Similarly Bob(2) = c, Bob(3) = a and Bob(4) = d.

\end{lecture}
 
When you are working with functions, please think of Bob. 
You could write N(x,y,Bob) but not N(x,y,Bob(2)) or even N(x,y,Bob(n)).


> If OK, how would I write out my initial definition/function?
> 
> 
> >
> >> in a given interval [x,y];
> >
> > _over_ [x, y]. (If you still have all intervals of the same length,
you
> > would be doing everybody a favor if you dropped the redundant "y".)
> 
> Good thought.

If all intervals are to have length d and you want the interval that
starts at x then for [x, y] you could use I_x as I have done previously
or [x] or <x> (but not {x}).

[...]

-- 
Paul Sperry
Columbia, SC (USA)
 




 51 Posts in Topic:
Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 18:09:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 15:03:41 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 23:57:13 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 23:03:06 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 17:27:39 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 15:40:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 21:41:11 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 17:14:26 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 23:10:52 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 22:34:14 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 14:38:37 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 14:01:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 19:37:54 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 17:29:38 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 03:25:35 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 00:56:30 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:40 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 17:22:16 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 23:06:49 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-15 20:59:41 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 17:45:58 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 22:10:15 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 22:27:36 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 23:29:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Sperry <plsperry@[EMAI  2008-07-16 00:21:48 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 00:28:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-16 11:19:33 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 15:53:37 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 12:48:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 13:37:54 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 16:11:57 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 20:53:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 21:07:58 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-17 15:46:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-17 13:03:21 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-18 22:39:01 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 00:04:48 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 14:47:38 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 10:41:53 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 22:58:04 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 14:38:03 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-20 19:50:56 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 15:06:40 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-20 15:11:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2008-07-20 14:03:39 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 16:17:19 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:58:47 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:59:54 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 21:39:11 
Re: Changing definitions
William Elliot <marsh@  2008-07-12 00:12:00 

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