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Re: Changing definitions

by "Jack" <jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 14, 2008 at 04:13 PM

Paul,



>> So maybe it would be N(x, y, t) for the arbitrary case and N(x, y, 
>> t_{J}(n))
>> for the non-arbitrary?
>
> Well, close anyway. Here's what I would do:
> For interval {a, a + 1, ..., a + d} and function f : |N -> |N define
> N(a,f) = sum(f(n) : n = a, ..., a + d). That would be the _general_
> case. For the particular case using t_J I would, without comment, write
> N(a, t_J).
>



I take it that for me it would then be N(x,t) and N(x,t_J) (possibly I 
should substitute "x" for "x,y"; more on that later!).

And I suppose I could do the same for all other definitions that are 
likewise dependent on t; so it would be c(n,t) and c(n,t_J) etc., all 
without comment?

Incidentally, I am confused as to why, a couple of posts back, you 
questioned the necessity of the definition c(n,t). I certainly need to
work 
with it, and (1/2)t(n)(t(n)-1) is surely unwieldy..

Also, as yet I have laid down a definition of c(n,t) and, *also*, of an 
expression that will in my new notation be c(x,t) (or perhaps c(x,y,t).
The 
second of these is the sum of c(n,t) over [x,y]. I take that the second 
definition *is* necessary? I guess c(x,t) could mean anything; but perhaps

you'll advise me to use a completely different term to denote it.



>
> When you are working with functions, please think of Bob.
> You could write N(x,y,Bob) but not N(x,y,Bob(2)) or even N(x,y,Bob(n)).
>



Useful to know - thanks.


>> If OK, how would I write out my initial definition/function?
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> in a given interval [x,y];
>> >
>> > _over_ [x, y]. (If you still have all intervals of the same length,
you
>> > would be doing everybody a favor if you dropped the redundant "y".)
>>
>> Good thought.
>
> If all intervals are to have length d and you want the interval that
> starts at x then for [x, y] you could use I_x as I have done previously
> or [x] or <x> (but not {x}).
>



They are not all the same length over my paper. I lay down every
proposition 
beginning "given x,y.", or "for all x,y"; furthermore, my worry is that if
I 
make a reference only to x, such as with c(x,t), then it might appear that
I 
am only interested in x, as though I am considering it as a value n and
that 
it can be written as c(n,t) for which n=x.



Incidentally, I wonder whether you could advise me on the use of "for 
integers n over [x,y]" in relation to the use of "for integers n *in* 
 [x,y]"..?

In particular I am wavering in the phrase ".for each of at least |J|
values 
of n over [x,y]."



I get the feeling also that I might also need a bit of help in the use of 
"for which" in preference to "such that"..



One other cheeky question, if I may:

I'm trying to say, in a part of one of my equations, "sum(t(n) over [x,y] 
for all n for which t(n)>1)". I have defined a set specifically for it,
and 
reference it in the expression; but I don't use it for anything else and I

would rather not have it cluttering my paper. If there's a better way of 
writing it.?



With many thanks.
 




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Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 18:09:26 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 15:03:41 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 23:57:13 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 23:03:06 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 17:27:39 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 15:40:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 21:41:11 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 17:14:26 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 23:10:52 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 22:34:14 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 14:38:37 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 14:01:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 19:37:54 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 17:29:38 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 03:25:35 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 00:56:30 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:40 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 17:22:16 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 23:06:49 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-15 20:59:41 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 17:45:58 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 22:10:15 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 22:27:36 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 23:29:37 
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Sperry <plsperry@[EMAI  2008-07-16 00:21:48 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 00:28:37 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-16 11:19:33 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 15:53:37 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 12:48:08 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 13:37:54 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 16:11:57 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 20:53:15 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 21:07:58 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-17 15:46:15 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-17 13:03:21 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-18 22:39:01 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 00:04:48 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 14:47:38 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 10:41:53 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 22:58:04 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 14:38:03 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-20 19:50:56 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 15:06:40 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-20 15:11:08 
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Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2008-07-20 14:03:39 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 16:17:19 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:58:47 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:59:54 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 21:39:11 
Re: Changing definitions
William Elliot <marsh@  2008-07-12 00:12:00 

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