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Re: Changing definitions

by Paul Sperry <plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 15, 2008 at 05:45 PM

In article <Tk7fk.9977$015.2830@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Jack <jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

> Paul,
> 
> > Let |N be the set of non-negative integers.
> > Let I be a finite interval of integers.
> >
> > DEFINITION 1. For a function t : |N -> N define
> > c_t(n) = (1/2)*t(n)*(t(n) - 1).
> 
> Will I need to say anything about the integer n? Or even the standard
|N? Or 
> can I take their meanings as understood?

It never hurts to nail things down. If |N is not explicitly given there
may be a question of whether or not 0 is included.

It certainly wouldn't be amiss to make the definition explicit:

DEFINITION 1.1 For a function t : |N -> N define a function
c_t : |N -> |N by c_t(n) = (1/2)*t(n)*(t(n) - 1).

> > REMARK. For convenience of notation we will write c(J, n) instead of
> > c_(t_J)(n).
> 
> I trust it's OK to use, instead, my old c(n,J)....

Sure.

>  >> In particular I am wavering in the phrase ".for each of at least |J|

> values
> >> of n over [x,y]."
> >
> > Should be "in".
> 
> I wonder if you know any general rules on this that I should adhere
to...? I 
> can't work out why, in a different expression, you corrected me to
'_over_ 
> [x,y]'.

"Over" is more informal. "The sum of t(n) over [x,y]" , "the sum of
t(n) for all n in [x,y]" and "sum(t(n) : n is in [x,y])" all say the
same thing the first is most informal the last, most formal. Formality
is a good thing.

> I got this further issue. Brian set me up with a definition which goes
'We 
> will find it convenient to define auxilliary functions in the following
way: 
> given (g,n) in G there is a unique (s,r) in G', such that h(g,n)=(s,r),
and 
> we set h_1(g,n)=s and h_2(g,n)=r'. Can I take this to be a definition
that 
> holds in my reference to s and r subsequently, or do I have to go
through 
> the process of saying what they are every time I make a reference to
them? 
> If so, what about my later use of r to denote memebrs of R? 

It would appear that you are free to recycle "r" and "s".

> More to the 
> point, if I define j(x,y,t) to denote a specific thing, can I casually
say, 
> later on, "take any integers i and j", without any reference to j(x,y,t)

> being meant?

In general, no. I have no context but "j" cannot be simultaneously the
name of a function and the name of an integer.

-- 
Paul Sperry
Columbia, SC (USA)
 




 51 Posts in Topic:
Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 18:09:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 15:03:41 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 23:57:13 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 23:03:06 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 17:27:39 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 15:40:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 21:41:11 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 17:14:26 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 23:10:52 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 22:34:14 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 14:38:37 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 14:01:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 19:37:54 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 17:29:38 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 03:25:35 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 00:56:30 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:40 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 17:22:16 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 23:06:49 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-15 20:59:41 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 17:45:58 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 22:10:15 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 22:27:36 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 23:29:37 
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Sperry <plsperry@[EMAI  2008-07-16 00:21:48 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 00:28:37 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-16 11:19:33 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 15:53:37 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 12:48:08 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 13:37:54 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 16:11:57 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 20:53:15 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 21:07:58 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-17 15:46:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-17 13:03:21 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-18 22:39:01 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 00:04:48 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 14:47:38 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 10:41:53 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 22:58:04 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 14:38:03 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-20 19:50:56 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 15:06:40 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-20 15:11:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2008-07-20 14:03:39 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 16:17:19 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:58:47 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:59:54 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 21:39:11 
Re: Changing definitions
William Elliot <marsh@  2008-07-12 00:12:00 

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