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Re: Changing definitions

by "Jack" <jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 16, 2008 at 03:53 PM

Paul,

>> Paul,
>>
>> > Let |N be the set of non-negative integers.
>> > Let I be a finite interval of integers.
>> >
>> > DEFINITION 1. For a function t : |N -> N define
>> > c_t(n) = (1/2)*t(n)*(t(n) - 1).
>>
>> Will I need to say anything about the integer n? Or even the standard
|N? 
>> Or
>> can I take their meanings as understood?
>
> It never hurts to nail things down. If |N is not explicitly given there
> may be a question of whether or not 0 is included.
>
> It certainly wouldn't be amiss to make the definition explicit:
>
> DEFINITION 1.1 For a function t : |N -> N define a function
> c_t : |N -> |N by c_t(n) = (1/2)*t(n)*(t(n) - 1).


I'm just worried that I'm using the lower case 'n' without any prior 
definition.

Incidentally, where you give the second definition,

<< DEFINITION 2. For a set of primes J define t_J : |N -> |N by
t_J(n) = |{p in J : p divides n}|>>

I wonder what you think of this. I have defined J as a subset of a set of 
the first m primes, where m is an integer, which I denote by P(m). In 
accordance with your advice, I reference the function t_J in the notation 
(x,y,t_J) without comment. Now, if I want to refer to a set J comprised of

all m primes, I make the reference (x,y,t_P(m)), again without comment. Is

that acceptable?


>> I got this further issue. Brian set me up with a definition which goes 
>> 'We
>> will find it convenient to define auxilliary functions in the following

>> way:
>> given (g,n) in G there is a unique (s,r) in G', such that h(g,n)=(s,r),

>> and
>> we set h_1(g,n)=s and h_2(g,n)=r'. Can I take this to be a definition 
>> that
>> holds in my reference to s and r subsequently, or do I have to go
through
>> the process of saying what they are every time I make a reference to 
>> them?
>> If so, what about my later use of r to denote memebrs of R?
>
> It would appear that you are free to recycle "r" and "s".
>

I take it, then, that if r is in R, it is invariably tagged such that it
is 
referenced as r \in r. If I don't tag r as such, will the reader know that
I 
mean it to be read in its other sense, i.e. as h_2(s,r)?

>> More to the
>> point, if I define j(x,y,t) to denote a specific thing, can I casually 
>> say,
>> later on, "take any integers i and j", without any reference to
j(x,y,t)
>> being meant?
>
> In general, no. I have no context but "j" cannot be simultaneously the
> name of a function and the name of an integer.

Ah, trouble. Will run out of letters that way. :?(

With thanks.
 




 51 Posts in Topic:
Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 18:09:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 15:03:41 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 23:57:13 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 23:03:06 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 17:27:39 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 15:40:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 21:41:11 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 17:14:26 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 23:10:52 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 22:34:14 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 14:38:37 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 14:01:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 19:37:54 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 17:29:38 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 03:25:35 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 00:56:30 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:40 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 17:22:16 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 23:06:49 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-15 20:59:41 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 17:45:58 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 22:10:15 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 22:27:36 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 23:29:37 
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Sperry <plsperry@[EMAI  2008-07-16 00:21:48 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 00:28:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-16 11:19:33 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 15:53:37 
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"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 12:48:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 13:37:54 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 16:11:57 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 20:53:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 21:07:58 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-17 15:46:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-17 13:03:21 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-18 22:39:01 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 00:04:48 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 14:47:38 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 10:41:53 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 22:58:04 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 14:38:03 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-20 19:50:56 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 15:06:40 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-20 15:11:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2008-07-20 14:03:39 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 16:17:19 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:58:47 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:59:54 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 21:39:11 
Re: Changing definitions
William Elliot <marsh@  2008-07-12 00:12:00 

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