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Re: Changing definitions

by Paul Sperry <plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 17, 2008 at 01:03 PM

In article <XWIfk.15144$4A6.12587@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Jack <jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

> "Paul Sperry" <plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:160720082107587503%plsperry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > In article <Mksfk.20$dl5.11@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Jack <jj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> >
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >>     One chief reason why it looks right that, in my notation, I
retain 
> >> the
> >> full x,y in eg. N(x,y,t_j) instead of using only x is that on
occasions I
> >> replace x and y with specific prescribed values.
> >
> > I presume x and y come from [x, y]. Since you now say y - x is
> > variable, y is not determined by x, so it appears you _must_ include
y.
> 
> But if I always begin every proof of every proposition that I lay down,
with 
> 'given x,y', then surely it's as good as saying something like 'given
x=1', 
> in which case y is the only variable necessary to reference. I can see
your 
> point, though, if I am not insisting on a *specific* [x,y] throughout.

There is a _big_ difference between talking about any old interval,
[x,y], and intervals of the form [1,y].

The phrase "given x, y" is not some magical incantation; it merely
serves notice that you are going to be talking about x and y.

Things like this are why I've been urging you to start at the beginning
and go to the end. I want you to go A to B to C to .... _You_ want to
go E to A to W  back to A to Y...

> > I'm guessing N(x,y,t) is some sort of function - it is probably a
> > surrogate for N([x,y],t). In any case, if it is a function, you are
> > obliged to give its domain and codomain; i.e. N : ? -> ??.
> 
> It's sum{t(n), n : n in [x,y]}.

That's nice - or it would be if you deleted the comma after "t(n)" and
the "n" after the comma. However, it does not answer the question. To
be a function N must have a domain and a codomain. That is N : A -> B;
N turns _all_ elements in A (and only those) into elements of B. In
this case I guess B = |N. What is A? What is the _totality_ of things I
am allowed to "plug into" N? Notice the "totality"; you must be able to
describe every single thing that x can be, that y can be and that t can
be.

> Incidentally, I am thinking of replacing some of my variables with sets,
and 
> referencing their cardinality to replace my original reference to the 
> variable. I can see one sole advantage in that it does away with the
need to 
> define an extra set quite a bit later on in my paper, albeit one that I 
> thought looked a congenial creation, it being a set A that was placed in

> contradistinction to a set B. Would you say it's advisable to use avoid 
> defining sets, in favour of defining variables, where possible?

I have no idea; I'd have to see what led up to that.

-- 
Paul Sperry
Columbia, SC (USA)
 




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Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 18:09:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 15:03:41 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-11 23:57:13 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-11 23:03:06 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 17:27:39 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 15:40:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 21:41:11 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 17:14:26 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-12 23:10:52 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-12 22:34:14 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 14:38:37 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 14:01:04 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-13 19:37:54 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-13 17:29:38 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 03:25:35 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 00:56:30 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:40 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-14 17:22:16 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 23:06:49 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-15 20:59:41 
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Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 17:45:58 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 22:10:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-15 22:27:36 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-15 23:29:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Sperry <plsperry@[EMAI  2008-07-16 00:21:48 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 00:28:37 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-16 11:19:33 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 15:53:37 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-16 12:48:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 13:37:54 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 16:11:57 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-16 20:53:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-16 21:07:58 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-17 15:46:15 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-17 13:03:21 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-18 22:39:01 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 00:04:48 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 14:47:38 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-19 10:41:53 
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"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-19 22:58:04 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 14:38:03 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-20 19:50:56 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 15:06:40 
Re: Changing definitions
Paul Sperry <plsperry@  2008-07-20 15:11:08 
Re: Changing definitions
Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2008-07-20 14:03:39 
Re: Changing definitions
"Brian M. Scott"  2008-07-20 16:17:19 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:58:47 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 14:59:54 
Re: Changing definitions
"Jack" <jj@[  2008-07-14 16:13:26 
Re: Changing definitions
Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-14 21:39:11 
Re: Changing definitions
William Elliot <marsh@  2008-07-12 00:12:00 

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