You're right, and I absolutely agree that braindumps will not be resolved
until
the tests themselves become more comprehensive. If you're not already
aware,
Microsoft has been using adaptive exams for a couple years now. I haven't
taken
one myself, but there are many people here that have. Maybe one of them
can
throw in their 2c about the adaptive exams.
Educating people about the dangers of using braindumps is only one aspect
that
CertGuard is exploring. It's the whole "Arrest the 'Johns', to prevent the
prostitutes from working" theory. We know it isn't 100% effective, but
while we
work on other methods of preventing cheating, we're trying to get the word
out
to as many people as possible that using braindumps is wrong.
You've got a great idea about the exams being 'open book'. Although it
would
need a lot of refining, that is one possibility that, I too feel, should
be
looked into. I remember taking college exams, and the toughest exams were
always
the open book exams, because if you had to search for the information on
even
25% of the questions, you were going to fail the exam. Knowing the answers
was
always the best method of passing the exams, but you're never going to
remember
everything, and therefore, having the resources by your side is equally as
im****tant.
Thanks for your comments Jim, why don't you (and your high horse) come on
over
to the CertGuard Forums?! We can always use a little opposition and fresh
ideas.
Again, thanks
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"Scooby" <mmscooby1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "CertGuard" <CertGuard - The Stronghold for Excellence in IT
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> wrote in message news:131mvok52rdbt0e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Well, here it is...Part deux!
>>
>> The cheating industry that is devaluing IT certification - part two
>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/13646
>>
>>
>> These are the other links I posted from the Part 1 post, in case ya
missed
>> 'em. ;-)
>> http://www.networkworld.com/subnets/cisco/
>>
>> This is part 1 of the article:
>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/13341
>>
>
>
> While I agree with you on concept about cheating hurting the
certification
> industry, I don't believe that is the real problem. You could almost
consider
> some of the ciscopress material as braindumps, since it is meant to help
you
> pass an exam. In the end, you aren't that much closer to understanding
the
> material, you just have learned enough to pass the test.
>
> Back in the early 90's, I started my networking career by going to
cl***** to
> get my Novell CNE. When I got all done, I was certified, but I would
have
> been scared to death to take over someone's Novell network, even though
I knew
> enough to pass the tests. This was long before the days of readily
available
> braindumps. Also, I've hired contractors with certifications that
didn't
> understand what they were doing - again before the days of braindumps.
>
> I think the real focus should be towards the tests themselves. I say
make
> these tests really hard, and open book/open resource. Then, braindumps
become
> useless. You would need to really understand what you are doing to pass
the
> test. Also, real life is open book. I use resources all the time to
complete
> my work. All good engineers know how to be resourceful, not just apply
what
> is in the memory banks. That is really what needs to be tested.
>
> Now, I understand that this would make testing more expensive, but I am
all
> for that. Personally, I despise paying $125 for a certification test
that
> really isn't testing my ability to do the job. I'd be much more happy
paying
> $500 for a more comprehensive open book test. And, I firmly believe
that a
> certification received from that type of testing would be much more
valued
> than today's paper certs.
>
> I think Cisco has it right with their CCIE lab tests, although I do
think it
> should be a litte more open resource. Extremely comprehensive,
proctored and
> no way are you getting out of there with brain dumps. I'm not saying
every
> test should be quite this comprehensive, as the CCIE tests are really
> expensive and long (a full day). But, I think this is a good model that
> should be built on for the other tests.
>
> So, in summary, I think the focus here is in the wrong place. You
aren't
> going to stop the brain dumps from happening. Try changing the testing
> industry to give us tests worth a certification.
>
> <Jim now gets down off his high horse>
>
> Just MHO,
>
> Jim
>
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