Re: Engineering Certifications

"Bernie" <Bernie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:43:50 GMT, "AT" <torgny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bernie" <Bernie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >> Quick question.  Do you mean real engineers, psuedo-engineers (who
> >> arguably do perform *some* engineering tasks but are not certified by
> >> state government as "engineers"), or the completely fake engineers
who
> >> make a joke out of the real term "engineer" by attaching it to people
> >> who pass silly Prometric exams?
> >>
> >> --Bernie
> >
> >Engineer is a Job Title! Meaning if you have the job as an engineer
then
you
> >are an engineer!
>
> Correction.  Today it is a job title and a professional degree which
> also has governmental controls (e.g. state board certification etc.).
> It used to only be the latter.  The title engineer has been so
> cheapened by cheesy jobs and lame vendor certifications that adopted
> that title to grant an automatic (and cheaply bought I might add)
> elevation in status.
>
> So ten years from now when "engineer" no longer carries even the
> pitiful status it retains has today, are we going work the word
> "doctor" into our titles to get a further cheaply bought elevation?
> I'm a "network doctor" (not an MD).... scratch that, I'm a "senior
> network doctor."  Oops now that everyone is calling themselves a
> senior network doctor, I am now a "level three senior network doctor."
>
> Maybe after that we will start calling ourselves scientists or lawyers
> etc.
>
> See how ridiculous that is?  It is a slippery slope when you start
> cheapening titles that used to mean something.
>
> >On the other hand you can have an education as an engineer
> >but not have a job as an engineer. In this case I would not consider
you
as
> >an engineer.
>
> But what does it matter what you consider someone if the state board
> considers someone a civil engineer, electrical engineer, etc?
>
> >Complicated? Could be, but that's life!
> >
> >The original question is too wide to even try to answer.
>
> Yes it is!  That was partly my point.
>
> --Bernie

Oh, and the CCIE is a "cheesy" cert right? Those guys aren't real
engineers,
right? Whats your CCIE number Bernie? It's so easy and cheesy to get, you
must have gotten one as they ARE valuable.