Re: Engineering Certifications

On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:41:15 -0700, "ec" <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>
>"Hansang Bae" <uonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1b2dbac6819fb2aa989ce1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:34:13 -0700, "ec" <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > >These are IT
>> > >newsgroups, so how this stuff relates to IT *is* im****tant. I will
call
>the
>> > >CCIE's before the EE's. They also keep us Gold certified.
>>
>> But this argument holds no water.  It is like saying when my car
breaks,
>> down, I'll call the mechanic before my cardiologist.  Does that make
>> them MDs?  If you want someone to work on your network, of course you
>> should call someone familiar with your network gear.
>>
>>
>
>The argument was for this quote of yours:
>
>"Not as valuable as you might think.  At one point, they were QUITE
>valuable."
>
>CCIE's are more valuable than you think. Having your CCIE and personally
not
>finding it as valuable does not globally make the cert less valuable. I
know
>you have experience HB, but your experiences are different than others.
We
>find the CCIE certification very valuable, and pretty rare in San Diego.
(
>CCIE's looking for jobs ).

And conversely, your education should lead you to realize that your
experience does not define the value either.  To the pointy haired
boss who can't discern the difference between two people claiming
skills, using a vendor cert like the CCIE becomes a valuable crutch.
But not all bosses are pointy hairs either, and even some pointy
haired bosses have been bitten by hiring a lab rat CCIE once or twice.

Hansang isn't making a point that isn't sup****ted by every CCIE who
has come through this group.  Ask Nrf, for example, how valuable the
CCIE is today compared to yesterday.  

--Bernie