Re: Engineering Certifications

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:48:31 GMT, "AT" <torgny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>You are as so many others here confused with titles. Doctor is a degree
and
>a title but does not nessecery mean that you are a doctor in Medicin. You
>can achieve a doctor exam in many different professions.

But you are sidestepping the question posed.  An alternative medicine
practitioner does not (necessarily) have any doctoral degree in
medicine or any other field.  So is it or is it not correct for them
to pose as "doctors" and call themselves such?  After all, if you
underwent surgery from a quack/fake who called himself a "doctor" just
to wake up with a limb amputated by mistake, you probably wouldn't sue
him for false representation--hey, he is free to *use* the title if he
wants to.  If he told you, "Hey, I never said I had a degree from med
school, I just like the title because it sounds catchy...BTW, sorry
about your arm," I suppose that would be a satisfactory answer.  Or is
it?

>The title Engineer by itself does not say more then that you are holding
an
>engineering position and you don't even need a degree for that. 

Actually, the title as defined by dictionaries means you are either
trained in a branch of engineering or you are practicing a branch of
engineering.  Garbage collecting is, by the way, not a branch of
engineering, so that use of the title is technically invalid, just as
redefining words to suit some personal agenda is invalid.

>Civil
>Engineer on the other hand is an educational degree and a title and that
is
>a total different thing. Having a degree in "something" Engineering
doesn't
>even give you a title, just the degree.

Actually it does.  It doesn't give you a state board certification as
a PE, but it is still proper to call a person with a degree in
engineering an engineer.  Now if they are five years out of practice,
it starts becoming a gray area I suppose.  But instead of dealing with
odd corner cases, lets stick to the main issue.

>AT
>
>
>"Sunny Cheung" <sunny.cheung@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:40d05057$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> I agree. Calling someone an Engineer who is not formally qualified (in
>that
>> I mean by successfully graduating from a recognised tertiary
institution
>> with a B.E or equivalent as deemed so by IEAust) is a total sham to the
>> profession!
>>
>> Everyone would get upset if "alternative medicine practioners" suddenly
>> called themselves "doctors", so whats the difference with those getting
>> MSCE's and calling themselves "Engineers"? I think its time regulatory
>> bodies impose strict guidlines on how organisations can use titles.
>>
>> What really gets my goat is sparkies calling themselves Electrical
>> Engineers!!!
>>
>>
>


--Bernie