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Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance

by Middle Class Warrior <eelder100@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 8, 2008 at 01:11 PM

s****hawk wrote:
> On May 8, 1:02 am, buckeye <buckeye...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of
Allegiancehttp://bbsnews.net/article.php/20080501163949996
>> [excerpt]
>>
>>  Thursday, May 01 2008 @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 04:39 PM EDT
>> Edited by: Michael Hess
>>
>> The American Way
>>
>> BBSNews 2008-05-01 -- By Naman Crowe. I've sung this song but I'll sing
it
>> again. Let's get real. Let's start looking to the day when we can put
to
>> rest the tired tradition of opening Congress with the Daily Prayer and
>> Pledge of Allegiance, on the grounds that they go counter to our
>> Constitution which requires a separation of Church and State.
>>
> 
> No it doesn't.  The Constitution says nothing about separation of
> Church and State.  I looked; it isn't there.  In fact, the
> Constitution specifically states that "Congress shall make no
> law . . . prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]."  Congress has
> no authority to prohibit anyone from engaging in religious exercises,
> in public, in private, in prison, or even in Congress itself. Free men
> are entitled to pray as they please--even congressmen.
> 
There have been 50 large court cases on the separation of church and 
state and a legal doctrine developed form these court cases. You should 
also check out the Treaty of Tripoli n 1797:

  Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in 
any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no 
character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of 
Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of 
hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, 
that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an 
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

This treaty was signed by John Adams and unanimously approved by the 
Senate. It provide a clear and compelling written evidence the the 
Founding Fathers perceived the US as a secular state.

Why wouldn't they? The Catholic church kept Europe in the Dark ages for 
1000 years and religious wars ensued between Protestants and Catholics 
for hundreds of year after the Dark Ages. the US was founded on the eve 
of the French Revolution which was anti-Catholic because the church had 
collaborated with the monarchy for centuries.

Prayer is schools is questionable because there are so many different 
religions and view points. I know that religious displays are allowed in 
schools around holidays and long as more than one religion is 
represented. I would prefer my kids learn something is school rather 
time in prayer and other religious activities. That is what the home and 
church is for.
 




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US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
buckeye <buckeyeelo@[E  2008-05-08 04:02:40 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
snakehawk <snakehawk@[  2008-05-08 05:22:44 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Middle Class Warrior <  2008-05-08 13:11:53 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
jls <jls1016@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-08 06:41:47 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-08 10:42:47 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
cpt banjo <cptbanjo@[E  2008-05-08 08:37:21 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
snakehawk <snakehawk@[  2008-05-08 09:41:52 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
"thomas p." <  2008-05-08 19:16:46 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
"Lord Vetinari"  2008-05-08 15:12:04 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
buckeye <buckeyeelo@[E  2008-05-10 12:09:34 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-05-10 10:45:53 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-05-10 10:57:31 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
buckeye <buckeyeelo@[E  2008-05-13 05:59:47 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
snakehawk <snakehawk@[  2008-05-08 10:18:11 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
"Lord Vetinari"  2008-05-08 15:22:52 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
buckeye <buckeyeelo@[E  2008-05-10 12:07:58 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Don Martin <drdonmarti  2008-05-08 10:51:12 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
jl <jls1016@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-08 11:03:03 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
snakehawk <snakehawk@[  2008-05-08 12:19:44 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-08 18:20:22 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
snakehawk <snakehawk@[  2008-05-08 12:38:42 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-08 18:01:51 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Leo Marx <LeoMarx@[EMA  2008-05-09 10:48:54 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
snakehawk <snakehawk@[  2008-05-08 14:33:20 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
"Lord Vetinari"  2008-05-09 16:56:58 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
snakehawk <snakehawk@[  2008-05-08 17:32:24 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-09 09:51:50 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
snakehawk <snakehawk@[  2008-05-08 17:56:23 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-09 10:00:47 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
cpt banjo <cptbanjo@[E  2008-05-09 15:14:13 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-05-09 15:43:23 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-09 20:07:35 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
buckeye <buckeyeelo@[E  2008-05-10 06:12:26 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
buckeye <buckeyeelo@[E  2008-05-10 08:06:22 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
Lord Calvert <Calvertd  2008-05-09 17:26:32 
Re: US Government Sponsored Prayers and The Pledge of Allegiance
buckeye <buckeyeelo@[E  2008-05-10 08:06:08 

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