israeliteknight <israeliteknight@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> The percentage of Russians with Tatar blood is quite high.
>Do you ever get tired of contradicting yourself?
I don't contradict myself.
>First, you claim "biological science disagrees" that there are DIFFERENT
and DISTINCT
>races or SPECIES of "people",
Biological science recognizes only one species of homo sapiens as the
only member of the genus homo that is not extinct.
>then you claim the RACE of Russians has been tainted with "Tatar
blood"!!!???:
I neither used the word "race" or "tainted". There is no "Race of
Russians".
I said:
<> The percentage of Russians with Tatar blood is quite high.
>>who're a separate SPECIES from Eastern Europeans,
>
>The percentage of Russians with Tatar blood is quite high.>>>
>
>You make this argument because you KNOW Tatars are a FOREIGN RACE to
>the Russians,
Tatars are not a "race" any more than Russians are. However, they are
Asian, so the large percentage of Russians with both Tatar and Russian
ancestry shows that the two populations have interbred successfully
and productively, which contradicts your silly claim that they are
separate species. (of course all of those with both Russian and Tatar
blood therefore would not be members of any "Russian race" or Tatar
race" even if such a thing existed).
>and that you hope to prove that the Russian RACE is not pure.
There is no Russian race, and never was, pure or otherwise.
>And that is PURE BS.
Everything you post is pure BS.
>To this DAY, the Tatars are a separate and distinct RACE,
No.
>and neither the Finns nor the Russians would DARE mix their holy seed
with them.
There is nothing holy about any seed.
When the Tatars ruled Russia and raped every woman they could get hold
of, the Russians didn't exactly have a lot of choice.
>Furthermore, there are 800 Tatars in Finland [they are mamzers with
>Turkish blood who practice Islam], and THEY would never mix with
>Finns, nor Russians, either, so how could Russian blood be tainted
>with Tatars?
There is also DNA evidence of Asian-ancestral genotypes all over
Northern and Eastern Europe:
http://www.dnatribes.com/news/2006_04_01_archive.html
Lenin's father had some Tatar ancestry. His mother was mixed German
and Russian ancestry.
http://histclo.com/bio/l/bio-len.html
The Tatars ruled Russia for several hundred years. During that time
period, for Russian leaders, marrying into the Tatars was considered
advantageous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan
<After the Mongol invasion of Russia, the Rurikid rulers of Russian
< principalities and the Bagration kings of Georgia were eager to
< obtain political advantages for themselves and their countries by
< marrying into the House of Genghis. Alexander Nevsky was adopted by
< Batu Khan as his son. Alexander's grandson Yury of Moscow married a
< sister of Uzbeg Khan. However, they had no progeny. On the other
< hand, petty Mongol princelings of Genghisid stock sometimes settled
< in Russia. For instance, Berke's nephew adopted the Christian name
< Peter and founded St. Peter's Monastery in Rostov, where his
< descendants were long prominent as boyars.[3]
<
<St. Theodore Stratelates, the patron saint of Fyodor the Black, as
< illustrated in his personal Gospel Book.The issue of three
< Russian-Mongol marriages may be traced down to the present. The most
< famous was the marriage of St. Fyodor the Black, later proclaimed a
< patron saint of Yaroslavl, to a daughter of the Mongol khan
< Mengu-Timur.[4] Fyodor's relations with the khan were idyllic: he
< spent more time in the Horde (where he was given extensive
< possessions) than in his capital. Male-line descendants of Fyodor's
< marriage to the Tatar princess include all the later rulers of
< Yaroslavl and two dozens princely families (such as the Shakhovskoy,
< Lvov, or Prozorovsky, among others), which passed Genghis genes to
< other aristocratic families of Russia.
<
<Prince Gleb of Beloozero, a grandson of Konstantin of Russia, was
< another Rurikid prince influential at the Mongol court. Gleb married
< the only daughter of Khan Sartaq. From this marriage descends the
< House of Belozersk, whose scions include Princes Ukhtomsky and
< Beloselsky-Belozersky.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/05/24/nosplit/dt2401.xml
>Tatar ancestry was claimed by numerous noble families in Russia. The
> Princes Meshchersky were the converted offspring of one Hussein
> murza, while Isakhar, founder of the Zagriazhsky line, is said to
> have been a relative of the khan.
>
>Emigrés since the 19th century have spread the Tatar genes throughout
> western Europe and America. Surprisingly, they include such prominent
> literary figures as Alexander Herzen and Michael Ignatieff (both
> Meshchersky descendants) and Vladimir Nabokov, whose reputed
> forebear, Nabok murza, defected to Muscovy in the 14th century.
> Nabokov's grandfather, the Russian minister of justice in the reign
> of Alexander III, was so oriental-looking that he was known as "The
> Chinaman".
>Yet neither Latvians nor Russians, who are both WHITE, have ever
intermarried with each other.
Bull****.
http://www.popline.org/docs/0066/287013.html
Before independence, 17% of marriages in Latvia were Russian/Latvian
intermarriages. Since independence the rate of intermarriage has
INCREASED.
>They are SEPARATE AND DISTINCT RACES OF WHITES.
Nope.
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
lojbab@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lojban language www.lojban.org
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