On May 11, 4:32=A0pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> israeliteknight<israelitekni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> The percentage of Russians with Tatar blood is quite high.
> >Do you ever get tired of contradicting yourself?
>
> I don't contradict myself.
>
> >First, you claim "biological science disagrees" that there are
DIFFERENT =
and DISTINCT
> >races or SPECIES of "people",
>
> Biological science recognizes only one species of homo sapiens as the
> only member of the genus homo that is not extinct.
>
> >then you claim the RACE of Russians has been tainted with "Tatar
blood"!!=
!???:
>
> I neither used the word "race" or "tainted". =A0There is no "Race of
> Russians".
>
> I said:
> <> The percentage of Russians with Tatar blood is quite high.
>
> >>who're a separate SPECIES from Eastern Europeans,
>
> >The percentage of Russians with Tatar blood is quite high.>>>
>
> >You make this argument because you KNOW Tatars are a FOREIGN RACE to
> >the Russians,
>
> Tatars are not a "race" any more than Russians are. =A0However, they are
> Asian, so the large percentage of Russians with both Tatar and Russian
> ancestry shows that the two populations have interbred successfully
> and productively, which contradicts your silly claim that they are
> separate species. =A0(of course all of those with both Russian and Tatar
> blood therefore would not be members of any "Russian race" or Tatar
> race" even if such a thing existed).
>
> >and that you hope to prove that the Russian RACE is not pure.
>
> There is no Russian race, and never was, pure or otherwise.
>
> >And that is PURE BS.
>
> Everything you post is pure BS.
>
> >To this DAY, the Tatars are a separate and distinct RACE,
>
> No.
>
> >and neither the Finns nor the Russians would DARE mix their holy seed
wit=
h them.
>
> There is nothing holy about any seed.
>
> When the Tatars ruled Russia and raped every woman they could get hold
> of, the Russians didn't exactly have a lot of choice.
>
> >Furthermore, there are 800 Tatars in Finland [they are mamzers with
> >Turkish blood who practice Islam], and THEY would never mix with
> >Finns, nor Russians, either, so how could Russian blood be tainted
> >with Tatars?
>
> There is also DNA evidence of Asian-ancestral genotypes all over
> Northern and Eastern
Europe:http://www.dnatribes.com/news/2006_04_01_archi=
ve.html
>
> Lenin's father had some Tatar ancestry. His mother was mixed German
> and Russian ancestry.http://histclo.com/bio/l/bio-len.html
>
> The Tatars ruled Russia for several hundred years. =A0During that time
> period, for Russian leaders, marrying into the Tatars was considered
> advantageous.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan
> <After the Mongol invasion of Russia, the Rurikid rulers of Russian
> < principalities and the Bagration kings of Georgia were eager to
> < obtain political advantages for themselves and their countries by
> < marrying into the House of Genghis. Alexander Nevsky was adopted by
> < Batu Khan as his son. Alexander's grandson Yury of Moscow married a
> < sister of Uzbeg Khan. However, they had no progeny. On the other
> < hand, petty Mongol princelings of Genghisid stock sometimes settled
> < in Russia. For instance, Berke's nephew adopted the Christian name
> < Peter and founded St. Peter's Monastery in Rostov, where his
> < descendants were long prominent as boyars.[3]
> <
> <St. Theodore Stratelates, the patron saint of Fyodor the Black, as
> < illustrated in his personal Gospel Book.The issue of three
> < Russian-Mongol marriages may be traced down to the present. The most
> < famous was the marriage of St. Fyodor the Black, later proclaimed a
> < patron saint of Yaroslavl, to a daughter of the Mongol khan
> < Mengu-Timur.[4] Fyodor's relations with the khan were idyllic: he
> < spent more time in the Horde (where he was given extensive
> < possessions) than in his capital. Male-line descendants of Fyodor's
> < marriage to the Tatar princess include all the later rulers of
> < Yaroslavl and two dozens princely families (such as the Shakhovskoy,
> < Lvov, or Prozorovsky, among others), which passed Genghis genes to
> < other aristocratic families of Russia.
> <
> <Prince Gleb of Beloozero, a grandson of Konstantin of Russia, was
> < another Rurikid prince influential at the Mongol court. Gleb married
> < the only daughter of Khan Sartaq. From this marriage descends the
> < House of Belozersk, whose scions include Princes Ukhtomsky and
> < Beloselsky-Belozersky.
>
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=3D/opinion/2007/05/24...=
>
> >Tatar ancestry was claimed by numerous noble families in Russia. The
> > Princes Meshchersky were the converted offspring of one Hussein
> > murza, while Isakhar, founder of the Zagriazhsky line, is said to
> > have been a relative of the khan.
>
> >Emigr=E9s since the 19th century have spread the Tatar genes throughout
> > western Europe and America. Surprisingly, they include such prominent
> > literary figures as Alexander Herzen and Michael Ignatieff (both
> > Meshchersky descendants) and Vladimir Nabokov, whose reputed
> > forebear, Nabok murza, defected to Muscovy in the 14th century.
> > Nabokov's grandfather, the Russian minister of justice in the reign
> > of Alexander III, was so oriental-looking that he was known as "The
> > Chinaman".
> >Yet neither Latvians nor Russians, who are both WHITE, have ever
intermar=
ried with each other.
>
> Bull****.
>
> http://www.popline.org/docs/0066/287013.html
> Before independence, 17% of marriages in Latvia were Russian/Latvian
> intermarriages. =A0Since independence the rate of intermarriage has
> INCREASED.
>
> >They are SEPARATE AND DISTINCT RACES OF WHITES.
>
> Nope.
>
> lojbab
> Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
> loj...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=A0 Lojban languagewww.lojban.org
>>and neither the Finns nor the Russians would DARE mix their holy seed
with=
them.
>There is nothing holy about any seed.
I know that you are Abraham's ***seed***, but you seek to kill Me,
because My Word is not given room in you. Joh 8:37
Ezra 9:2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and
for their sons: so that the ***holy seed*** have mingled themselves
with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and
rulers hath been chief in this trespass.
Ezr 9:14 Should we again break thy commandments, and join in affinity
with the people of these abominations? wouldest not thou be angry with
us till thou hadst consumed us, so that there should be no remnant nor
escaping?
Ezra 10:3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put
away [yatsa #3318] all the wives, and such as are born of them,
according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the
commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the Torah.
Nehemiah 9:2 And the ***seed of Israel*** separated themselves from
all foreigners, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities
of their fathers.
Nehemiah 9:3 And they stood up in their place, and read in the book of
the law of Jehovah their God a fourth part of the day; and another
fourth part they confessed, and wor****pped Jehovah their God.
Nehemiah 13:3 Now it came to pass, when they had heard the Torah, that
they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.
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