On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:53:15 -0700 (PDT), Robert S
<roberts218e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On 16 Jul, 00:23, abelard <abela...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:02:50 -0700 (PDT), Robert S
>> <roberts2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >On Jul 15, 11:05 pm, abelard <abela...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:55:30 -0700 (PDT), Robert S
>> >> <roberts2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 15, 7:51 pm, abelard <abela...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:44:38 -0700 (PDT), "leonard7...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> <leonard7...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> > Wikipedia Promoting Global Warming Hysteria?
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>> >> >> you're a double idiot my boy.....
>>
>> >> >> 1)to expect to trust wikipedia....
>> >> >> 2)as a moonbat in denial over agw.....
>>
>> >> >>http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/49370/story.htm
>> >> >> "The US Environmental Protection Agency said on Monday that
greenhouse
>> >> >> gas emissions endanger human health, a critical finding that has
>> >> >> languished in bureaucratic limbo since last December.
>>
>> >> >> In a 149-page do***ent, the agency's scientists said that
"warming of
>> >> >> the climate system is unequivocal" and that potential health
risks
>> >> >> include more heat waves, floods and droughts, insect outbreaks
and
>> >> >> wildfires, along with crop failure and decline in livestock and
>> >> >> fisheries productivity."
>>
>> >> >> still keep it up and eventually you could be unique....
>> >> >> a bit like the last person on earth to still believe in
phlogiston...
>>
>> >> >Slight warming is unequivocal. The pro****tion, or lack thereof,
caused
>> >> >by man is very much equivocal.
>>
>> >> >How's the Sun doing now? We might be in for a new mini ice age.
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>> >> 1)there is no evidence of serious variation in sun input...
>>
>> >Output, and no, we do:
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>> i said input...i meant input....
>>
>> >Recent:
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>> >http://www.dxlc.com/solar/images/solar.gif
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>> >Time scale of hundreds of years, for sunspots:
>>
>> and what is that meant to indicate or what does it indicate to you...
>>
>> lower scale unclear....
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>What you mean by "lower scale" is unclear.
from memory....it was all labelled with 2008 and you were on about
hundreds of years
ps i responded at speed and only caught a rough understanding of
your drift as i rushed through
>The graph, OTOH, is straight forward - x-axis is time, and the traces
>are solar flux, sunspot number, and planetary A index (degree of
>disturbance of Earth's magnetic field).
>
> >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/
>Sunspot_Numbers.png
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>> >...correlation of sunspot activity and irradiance:
>>
>> why do you believe numbers so far back...and why do you care
>
>There have been very accurate scientific astronomers going back to
>Tycho Brahe and before. Kepler couldn't have done what he did if this
>wasn't the case.
kepler 18th century...
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NasaNews/2001/200112065794.html
"****ndell noted that the effects of this period of a dimmer Sun were
concentrated more regionally than globally. "Global average
temperature changes are small, approximately .5 to .7 degrees
Fahrenheit (0.3-0.4C), but regional temperature changes are quite
large." ****ndell said that his climate model simulation shows the
temperature changes occurring mostly because of a change in the Arctic
Oscillation/North Atlantic Oscillation (AO/NAO)."
>> >http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/tsi_composite.gif
>>
>> ah, right...a claimed difference of ~2 watts per meter2 with a cycle
>> of around 10 years...
>> at the top of the atmosphere?
>> without much correlation with the long term upward trend....
>>
>> why do you imagine these differences aren't smoothed by the planet
>> over a ten year period...
>
>It shows that solar output and sunspot number are intimately linked.
>Now look at the 2nd graph again.
op cit
""The period of low solar activity in the middle ages led to
atmospheric changes that seem to have brought on the Little Ice Age.
However, we need to keep in mind that variations in solar output have
had far less impact on the Earth's recent climate than human actions,"
****ndell said. "The biggest catalyst for climate change today are
greenhouse gases," he added."
>> >> 2)we may well *have been* on course for a real ice age
>> >> prior to agw....although the timing is outside current
knowledge
>>
>> >> as for 'mini ice-age' the consensus is that it is already
>> >> approximately understood...probably local and related to the
>> >> atlantic
>>
>> >Or related to the variably outputting source of Earth's energy.
>>
>> i see no evidence...i've seen no evidence....
>> i've seen such claims...and i've seen rebuttals....
>
>There is evidence of variable outputting of solar energy. I've shown
>you three graphs that demonstrate this, over different time scales.
>It's a fact.
see above....
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