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Re: Vatican trying to avoid baptism by proxy

by "Tony H." <punkyNOSP*M@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 7, 2008 at 09:26 AM

Lesley Robertson wrote:
> "Tony H." <punkyNOSP*M@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:kaSdnRRb8aoxP7zVnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>>
>>It is a totally meaningless gesture, but it is also offensive and IMHO 
>>very disrespectful to my ancestors and their faith.
> 
> 
> How can something that's meaningless be offensive? In any case, I don't
see 
> why it's offensive if they invite people to join them - surely it's a 
> definition of any faith group that they're convinced that THEY are right
and 
> everyone else is wrong? It would almost be offensive and lacking in
respect 
> if they didn't invite people to join....... You wouldn't invite people
to 
> join you if you didn't respect them, would you?
> 
> If you believe that any faith system is correct, then the ceremonies 
> associated with that faith system are of great significance. If you
don't 
> believe, then such ceremonies are of no significance, won't do anything,
and 
> therefore don't matter.
> Lesley Robertson
> 
> 

It's a meaningless gesture because a baptism by proxy by the Mormons of 
my ancestors means nothing to me or my ancestors faithwise.

I don't have a problem with the Mormons or their faith.  As far as I'm 
concerned, it's their right to believe and wor****p however they want.

As far as being disrespectful to my ancestors and their religious faith, 
it is disrespectful for one religious group to say that "THEY are right 
and everyone else is wrong".  It would be equally as disrespectful to 
the Mormon religion for my faith or any other faith to baptize by proxy 
a member of the Mormon faith for whatever reason.  BWT, I don't recall 
that my ancestors were invited to join the Mormons before the Mormons 
took it upon themselves to baptize my ancestors into their faith.
 




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Vatican trying to avoid baptism by proxy
clifto <clifto@[EMAIL   2008-05-06 09:43:08 
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carolea7@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-07 02:57:41 
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"the_verminator@[EMA  2008-05-06 20:52:38 
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"Bruce S" <b  2008-05-06 21:13:44 
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Daniel <dxmm@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-15 21:39:50 
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"Texas Gen" <  2008-05-15 07:35:33 
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Allen <allen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-15 09:25:44 
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"Henry Brownlee"  2008-05-15 21:32:40 
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"Texas Gen" <  2008-05-16 07:31:24 
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Allen <allen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-16 10:09:17 
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Brian <drmorrisnospam@  2008-05-16 18:49:37 
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"Gene Y." <p  2008-05-16 20:20:51 
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Brian <drmorrisnospam@  2008-05-17 18:57:32 
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"Gene Y." <p  2008-05-16 21:16:08 
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"Henry Brownlee"  2008-05-16 20:44:17 
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"Gene Y." <p  2008-05-16 23:41:13 
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"Henry Brownlee"  2008-05-17 13:40:17 
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Brian <drmorrisnospam@  2008-05-17 19:01:55 
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"Henry Brownlee"  2008-05-17 22:07:51 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-05-20 10:46:31 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-20 18:08:24 
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Allen <allen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-20 14:47:18 
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"Mark Fields" &  2008-05-20 19:57:23 
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"Henry Brownlee"  2008-05-20 19:22:40 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-05-21 10:58:21 
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carolea7@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-20 02:01:37 
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"Texas Gen" <  2008-05-20 07:23:40 
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carolea7@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-07 05:59:13 
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Charani <SGBNOSPAM@[EM  2008-05-07 09:30:51 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-07 10:51:38 
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Charani <SGBNOSPAM@[EM  2008-05-11 12:59:00 
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Daniel <dxmm@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-15 21:48:05 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-15 14:24:53 
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Allen <allen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-15 09:29:07 
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JJ206 <jj206@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-15 15:59:21 
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Kay Robinson <Kay_Robi  2008-05-07 09:57:13 
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"Texas Gen" <  2008-05-07 05:10:18 
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-05-07 08:13:41 
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GeorgeD <Not@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-07 12:00:30 
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"Tony H." <p  2008-05-07 07:27:53 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-07 15:46:04 
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"Tony H." <p  2008-05-07 09:26:34 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-07 12:52:47 
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"Tony H." <p  2008-05-07 18:09:05 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-07 19:56:10 
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"Tony H." <p  2008-05-07 20:29:27 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-07 22:08:05 
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"Tony H." <p  2008-05-07 21:10:48 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-05-08 18:41:42 
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Brian <drmorrisnospam@  2008-05-08 19:30:37 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-08 20:09:07 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-08 09:28:09 
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"D. Stussy" <  2008-05-07 18:53:35 
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"Tony H." <p  2008-05-07 20:50:42 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-07 22:51:11 
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JJ206 <jj206@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-09 00:59:03 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-05-09 14:40:29 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-07 22:18:40 
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"D. Stussy" <  2008-05-07 19:43:59 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-07 22:57:27 
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"D. Stussy" <  2008-05-07 20:56:17 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-08 20:25:19 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-08 09:38:06 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-05-08 11:14:16 
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"NoSpam" <fa  2008-05-08 16:54:31 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-09 09:59:01 
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"NoSpam" <fa  2008-05-09 10:35:31 
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Charani <SGBNOSPAM@[EM  2008-05-11 12:48:56 
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JJ206 <jj206@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-09 00:53:33 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-09 08:56:45 
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JJ206 <jj206@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-11 00:42:47 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-11 09:30:45 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-09 18:53:11 
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Charani <SGBNOSPAM@[EM  2008-05-11 13:51:31 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-05-11 15:53:28 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-11 17:05:01 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-15 08:36:29 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-08 09:32:15 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-14 21:20:24 
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"Gene Y." <p  2008-05-14 16:41:53 
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Allen <allen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-07 20:27:57 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-14 16:38:50 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-14 13:46:49 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-14 08:04:33 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-14 08:37:09 
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"Henry Brownlee"  2008-05-08 11:05:37 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-13 15:06:53 
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Allen <allen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-13 12:11:10 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-13 20:35:39 
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Charles Ellson <charle  2008-05-14 02:04:42 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-13 22:27:10 
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Charani <SGBNOSPAM@[EM  2008-05-15 08:31:56 
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clifto <clifto@[EMAIL   2008-05-07 16:26:45 
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Brian <drmorrisnospam@  2008-05-07 18:52:12 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-08 09:20:38 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-08 07:53:02 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-05-08 18:49:23 
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William Bojanowski <bo  2008-05-08 11:26:35 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-05-08 18:51:58 
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William Bojanowski <bo  2008-05-09 12:30:19 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-13 07:50:55 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-13 08:27:25 
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JJ206 <jj206@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-13 07:10:40 
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"Dr. Grok" <  2008-05-07 23:52:07 
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"the_verminator@[EMA  2008-05-07 18:17:45 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-11 16:15:22 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-11 12:30:21 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-11 18:10:05 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-11 20:19:28 
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carolea7@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 03:31:54 
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myths@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 05:13:20 
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Mary_Gordon@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-11 15:49:56 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-12 10:10:01 
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"Henry Brownlee"  2008-05-13 15:30:16 
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Jaqian <jaqian@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 00:59:21 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-12 09:18:47 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-05-12 12:02:12 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-12 08:56:31 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-05-12 11:35:59 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-12 14:36:51 
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"Lesley Robertson&qu  2008-05-12 17:52:26 
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Sir Creep <sircreep@[E  2008-05-12 05:44:57 
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Sir Creep <sircreep@[E  2008-05-12 05:52:02 
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Graeme Wall <Graeme@[E  2008-05-12 18:20:08 
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"Bruce Remick"   2008-05-12 20:20:00 
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Mary_Gordon@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-07 10:20:19 
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