Re: Please Help with Quotation Search

Ed Cryer wrote:
> "B. T. Raven" <nihil@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>
>>> "Alastor" <rossmcp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> Yes, the quote could well be relevant to Augustine, whose lapses
>>>> and reawakenings could be described as ending where he began; yes
>>>> that's well spotted by you. All the same, how is it that that
>>>> particular ode
>>>> has been in your mind waiting for an op****tunity to emerge? I'm
>>>> being
>>>> impertinent of course but an interest in literature is always an
>>>> interest in humanity and I can't help but be curious. Or maybe you
>>>> know Horace inside out, cover to cover, and can find any quote to
>>>> suit
>>>> the occasion.
>>>
>>> I've read Augustine's Confessions from cover to cover. That man
>>> speaks from the heart across the centuries and hits home. Not with
>>> his Christianity; more with his neo-Platonism.
>>>
>>> I'll recommend two passages. One about stealing apples from an
>>> orchard when he was a kid; and his later meditations on guilt.
>>
>> Weren't they pears instead of apples?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Eduardus
>
> Right. Pardon me. Mea culpa.
> This is the Latin;
> arbor erat pirus in vicinia nostrae vineae pomis onusta
>
> This got me thinking that an "apple tree" would be a wrong place to
> sin under (in or on) because of Adam and Eve in Eden. So I looked up
> the Genesis lines and couldn't see any specific fruit at all there;
> de fructu vero ligni quod est in medio paradisi
>
> The "tree" is a "lignum" with "fructus".

Apple is "malum" which is clearly 'evil'...
-- 
John Briggs