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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=

by "alanbeth" <alanbeth@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Oct 12, 2004 at 11:34 PM

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thanks for the example...
  "Yusuf B Gursey" <ybg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  "bethalan" <bethalan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  > Thanks --- To satisfy my curiosity, what references (besides=20
  > Bescherelle) attest to the existence of [ajwada], and how would it=20

  right now I dont know for this particular word.

  there is 'arwaHa "to stink" vs. 'ara:Ha "to give comfort or rest"
  in Wehr.

  > differ in meaning from [ajaada]?  (to satisfy my curiosity further, =
what=20
  > does "AFAIK" mean?)  Thank you for your reply.
  > "Yusuf B Gursey" <ybg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message=20
  > news:222ae656.0410100836.2c712a64@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >   "bethalan" <bethalan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message=20
  > news:<PrG9d.6785$2u1.6143@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
  >   > So far, I've been unable to find a reference to [ajwada]; the=20
  >  existence=20
  >   > of a Form IV [ajwada] would make theoretical sense if there =
existed=20
  >  a=20
  >   > Form I [jawada], but this I can also find no reference to.  Of=20

  form I strong forms only exist for a few verbs of the form=20
  CawiCa not CawaCa . see the original (out of print) "Teach Yourself =
Arabic"=20

  >> course, I=20
  >=20
  >   AFAIK existance of form I *jawada is not a neccessary conditon. =
both
  >   forms may exist and they might have slightly different meanings.
  >=20
  >=20
  >   > could be wrong . . . and then again, perhaps Bescherelle could =
be=20
  >  wrong.=20
  >   >  Bescherelle's forte has been French grammar and I suppose their =

  >  work on=20
  >   > Arabic grammar could be flawed . . . ??
  >   >   "Raymond Roy" <belamiNoSpam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message=20
  >   > news:41615076.2889880@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >   >   Are there Arabic verbs that have more than one form for a =
given=20
  >  Form?
  >   >=20
  >   >   Let's consider the verb 'j da' (to be or become good). Could =
Form=20
  >  IV=20
  >   > be
  >   >   'ajwada' as well as 'aj da' ?
  >   >=20
  >   >   According to my Bescherelle, both form exist. If only one of =
them
  >   >   correspond to Form IV of 'j da', which form is the other one?
  >   >=20
  >   >   Shukran.
  >   >=20
  >   >   Raymond
  >   >=20
  >   > --
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<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia>thanks for the example...</FONT></DIV>
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>&gt;...<BR>&gt;=20
  Thanks --- To satisfy my curiosity, what references (besides <BR>&gt;=20
  Bescherelle) attest to the existence of [ajwada], and how would it=20
  <BR><BR>right now I dont know for this particular word.<BR><BR>there =
is=20
  'arwaHa "to stink" vs. 'ara:Ha "to give comfort or rest"<BR>in=20
  Wehr.<BR><BR>&gt; differ in meaning from [ajaada]?&nbsp; (to satisfy =
my=20
  curiosity further, what <BR>&gt; does "AFAIK" mean?)&nbsp; Thank you =
for your=20
  reply.<BR>&gt; "Yusuf B Gursey" &lt;<A=20
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  "bethalan" &lt;<A=20
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  &gt; So far, I've been unable to find a reference to [ajwada]; the=20
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[ajwada] would=20
  make theoretical sense if there existed <BR>&gt;&nbsp; a =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt; Form I [jawada], but this I can also find no reference to.&nbsp; =
Of=20
  <BR><BR>form I strong forms only exist for a few verbs of the form =
<BR>CawiCa=20
  not CawaCa . see the original (out of print) "Teach Yourself Arabic"=20
  <BR><BR>&gt;&gt; course, I <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; AFAIK =
existance of=20
  form I *jawada is not a neccessary conditon. both<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
forms=20
  may exist and they might have slightly different meanings.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; could be wrong . . . and then again, perhaps =

  Bescherelle could be <BR>&gt;&nbsp; wrong. <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  Bescherelle's forte has been French grammar and I suppose their =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  work on <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Arabic grammar could be flawed . . . =

  ??<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Raymond Roy" &lt;<A=20
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>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are there Arabic verbs that have more than one form =
for a=20
  given <BR>&gt;&nbsp; Form?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Let's consider the verb 'j da' (to be or become =
good). Could=20
  Form <BR>&gt;&nbsp; IV <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; =
be<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; 'ajwada' as well as 'aj da' ?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; According to my Bescherelle, =
both form=20
  exist. If only one of them<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
correspond to=20
  Form IV of 'j da', which form is the other one?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Shukran.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Raymond<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; =

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 14 Posts in Topic:
IV-form of the Arabic verb 'jāda'
belamiNoSpam@[EMAIL PROTE  2004-10-04 13:30:56 
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
"bethalan" <  2004-10-09 00:40:15 
IV-form of the Arabic verb 'jāda'
belamiNoSpam@[EMAIL PROTE  2004-10-09 18:40:23 
Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
ybg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Y  2004-10-10 09:36:59 
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
"bethalan" <  2004-10-10 18:20:22 
Re: IV-form of the Arabic verb 'jāda'
"Peter T. Daniels&qu  2004-10-10 23:16:49 
Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
ybg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Y  2004-10-12 02:39:58 
Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
belamiNoSpam@[EMAIL PROTE  2004-10-12 15:55:33 
Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
ybg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Y  2004-10-13 02:42:21 
Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
belamiNoSpam@[EMAIL PROTE  2004-10-13 14:09:44 
Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
ybg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Y  2004-10-20 04:59:28 
Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
belamiNoSpam@[EMAIL PROTE  2004-10-20 21:16:32 
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
"bethalan" <  2004-10-21 00:57:35 
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IV-form_of_the_Arabic_verb_'j=E2da'?=
"alanbeth" <  2004-10-12 23:34:56 

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