Re: Learning to Speak Arabic

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

language academies use extended letters and vowel signs in writing
colloquials.


> google@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> > Peter T. Daniels schreef:
> > > Except that you can't write [g] in standard Arabic script?
> >
> > It can. Moreover, just using jiim for /g/ in Egyptian would do fine.
>
> No, you cannot write [g] in standard Arabic script. You need to use the
> Persian letter kaf+stroke.
>

that's very rarely used in arab countries (outside Iraq and the Gulf).

> Since the objective was to write _Egyptian_ Arabic, you cannot use <j>
> to write [g].
>

since /j/ regularly becomes [g], even in the egyptian recitation of MSA
you just tell that   <j> is pronounced [g].


> > > And you can't notate imaala?
> >
> > Don't know what that is. Looked it up, a becomes i. Does that occur in
> > Egyptian?
>
> Without brackets, you have of course confused yourself again. To
> simplify, /a:/ becomes [e:] except in the environment of emphatics.


but that rule is broken in loanwords.

>
> > >_Now_ you favor a phonemic script!
> >
> > Did I ever not?
>
> Well, since you don't understand what phonemics is, I suppose you can't
> recognize the difference. Just yesterday you were fussing about whether
> to use the IPA ligature mark in notating _phonemic_ affricates.
>
> > > Unless, of
> > > course, you propose spelling /q/ words with <'> (hamza) -- in which
> > > case you're teaching wrong spelling!

the letter <q> is more problematic since it is pronounced [q] in
classical loans.


> >
> > I am teaching someone Egyptian spelling, without even knowing the
> > language?
> 
> Yes, that is what you are doing.