On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:24:17 -0700 (PDT), Mensanator
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>On Mar 10, 8:19 pm, Stig Holmquist <stigfjor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:14:21 -0700 (PDT), Mensanator
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>> <mensana...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >On Mar 10, 5:58 am, Stig Holmquist <stigfjor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:56:47 -0700 (PDT), Mensanator
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>> >> <mensana...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >On Mar 9, 2:39?pm, Stig Holmquist <stigfjor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> If you add up the numbers ein each position after they have been
>> >> >> sorted in ascending order
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>> >> >Why would you do a silly thing like that?
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>> >> >Wouldn't doing stats on which ball is drawn first
>> >> >be more meaningful?
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>> >> If you think stats based on order of draw are more meaningful
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>> >It could be. Suppose the two most frequently occuring balls
>> >drawn are 17 & 18. But they always come up as the first ball
>> >drawn and almost never in the same drawing. Thus, it may be
>> >that 17 & 18 are competing for the same bucket (which could
>> >happen if the balls are loaded into the drum in numerical order
>> >and not stirred properly as was the case in Illinois in 1984).
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>> >> feel free to calculate them
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>> >Already have.
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>> >> and tell us what is so interesting about them.
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>> >Such as actually coming up with winning numbers?
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>> >> .Order of draw can be found at various sites. Go ahead.
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>> >I won the Illinois Lotto twice. Only match 4's however,
>> >so I only got about $1000. And shortly thereafter they
>> >modified the Lotto machines to make them much more random
>> >and render such statistics meaningless.
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>> >>I specifically asked about the PB game, not some state game.
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>> What is the significance of deviations from 28 for any of the five
>> positions of PB?
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>**** if I know. The point I'm making is you are assuming without
>proof that there is none. If you're wrong, then your stats are
>worthless.
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>>The PB numbers are tested rigorously for randomness by MUSL
so if you have any evidence that they are not random please post it or
else STFU. You are making an ass of yourself.So far you have made no
positive contribution to the subject matter. Your comments are not
only silly, they are outright stupid. Good luck with your tests.
Stig
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>> >> Complete set of means for 264 draws is 9.6-19.1-27.8-38-46.9
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>> >And if the stats say they're indistinguishable from random,
>> >then what? Stats are only useful if the machine is not a
>> >true random number generator where the non-randomness can
>> >be exploited.
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>> >> Stig Holmquist
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>> >> >> you will find after the last 112 draws that
>> >> >> the means are 9.6, 18.7, 27.4, 37.1 and 46.6 and tere appears to
be a
>> >> >> slow decrease in each mean from earlier draws.
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>> >> >> It is tempting to suggest that the ultimate means after millions
of
>> >> >> draws would be 9-18-27-36-45, but to verify this wild guess one
would
>> >> >> need to do a simulation or else apply some kind of probability
>> >> >> calculation, which is beyond my ken.
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>> >> >> The 55 ball numbers for PB can be divided into five equal ranges:
>> >> >> 1-11, 12-22, 23-33, 34-44 and 45-55 which have the means :
>> >> >> 6-17-28-39-50. The fact that the observed means differ from the
>> >> >> nominal means is due to many balls drawn for position 1 are over
11
>> >> >> and there are no numbers below 1 to compensate and likewise there
will
>> >> >> be many numbers below 45 drawn for the 5th position but no
numbers
>> >> >> over 55 to compensate.
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>> >> >> Would it be possible to predict by probability calculation what
the
>> >> >> ultimate means should be?
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