"William Elliot" <marsh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSI.4.58.0805060317140.27512@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Pavel314 wrote:
>> "William Elliot" <marsh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> > On Sun, 4 May 2008, Pavel314 wrote:
>> >
>> >> Spider Solitaire is frequently part of the MS Windows game package
but
>> >> if you don't have it, you can see what it's all about at:
>> >>
>> > Oh baloney, I use cards. What's baloney about Microsoft**** is that
it
>> > doesn't have the 9, 7, 6 and 5 cards across versions nor the unique 8
>> > and
>> > 4 across Box Spider Solitary
>
> Of course for these versions, the layout is altered beyond the number of
> columns and for 7, 6 and 5, progressive relaxation of some rules are
made.
>
> Another point about the software and it's adherance to the rules is does
> the software insist that before you can deal the next hand that no
column
> can be a space?
Right, no deal with an empty column. Verboten!
Funny thing, when I was a kid (1950's) they used to say that someone was
so
honest he wouldn't even cheat at solitaire. Now you can't cheat, Mr. Gates
beeps at you if you try.
>> > Does the pack go off the playing field immediately by stupid software
>> > or do you have the option of removing when you wish? The rules allow
>> > removal of a complete suit upon the player's choice. My experience
>> > has shown that it can be of much value to not remove the complete
suit
>> > are once.
>>
>> They all fly up to the top immediately on completion of the suit. I'm
>> curious; under what conditions would it be a good strategy to leave a
>> completed suit on the table? Doing so either blocks the card below from
>> being put into play or, if there's nothing beneath the king, occupies
an
>> otherwise empty row which could be useful in play. Since nothing can be
>> put
>> on the ace, I can't see where leaving the completed suit on the table
>> would
>> ever be an advantage.
>>
> Unless there's some useful plays to be had by removing the suit, or even
> before you remove the suit, a completed sequence or nearly complete
> sequence can be use to help consolidate other sequences.
>
> Say you have a space and a complete suit of clubs. Also you have a
heart
> under a club and above the club some diamonds. Now you can switch the
> diamonds with clubs in the suit and be able to move the heart and the
> clubs. Afterwards you can reverse the switch and maintain the suit.
>
> Now say you have a complete suit of clubs on top of a bunch of stuff and
> you also have a king of clubs at the head of a column. If you can
> continue the play without removing the completed suit to where the king
> has no cards on top of it, then you can move the queen on down onto the
> lone king and create another space.
>
> If you see this possibility and also that there are no useful moves to
be
> had from removing the completed suit, then you have the option of
keeping
> the complete suit for the next hand. It won't get in the way because
you
> can always remove it when it shows and just maybe it could be of some
use.
>
> Anyway, if there's no cards beneath the completed suit that are needed
for
> more plays, there is no loss, and some possible gain in keeping them.
> Microsoft**** is to be faulted for cheap software that doesn't give you
> the option, allowed in the rules, to remove a completed suit at player
> choice.
Thanks for explaining; makes sense in certain situations.
Paul
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