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Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?

by julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM

On 3 Jul, 19:25, ju...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> On 2 Jul, 09:49, Han de Bruijn <Han.deBru...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Marshall wrote:
> > > On Jul 1, 7:40 am, hru...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Herman Rubin) wrote:
> > >>As for gotos, I find them easy to use,
> > >>and spaghetti code is best for spaghetti algorithms.
>
> > > Sure, gotos are easy to write, but what's usually im****tant
> > > for code is that it be easy to read and easy to maintain,
> > > and gotos are anathema to that.
>
> > I think nowadays nobody, except Herman, will argue in favour of gotos.
>
> FWIW, I would. In fact, my idea is that the two "poles", LLL and HLL,
> should finally split, where LLL is the only true programming possible,
> while HLL is to become the high-end side of user interfaces.
>
> In any case, there may be lots of reasons to "favour gotos", all
> invariably coming from those who have been programming for a life, at
> least in the sense of getting back to the roots of our practices and
> problems, and cleaning up to an otherwise unreachable next phase.


I wouldn't know what to suggest to the mathematician (maybe functional/
algebra systems programming?), but to the kid I'd still suggest BASIC,
in its original "basic" form. Then I'd say assembler and computer
architecture on a side, functional/logic/algebra programming on
another (the two poles). Then of course much more could follow.

-LV


>
> > On the other hand, I find that the Object Oriented Programming
paradigm
> > has given rise to bad programming practices, such as putting more and
> > more software layers on top of each other
>
> Yep, that is an easy example. What has gone wrong there?
>
> -LV
>
> > , so many that even a GigaHerz
> > processor can hardly plough through them, in execution time.
>
> > Han de Bruijn
 




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Programming skills required by mathematicians?
rAgAv <ragav.payne@[EM  2008-06-25 01:40:27 
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"Nasser Abbasi"  2008-06-25 02:40:34 
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"David N. Williams&q  2008-06-25 10:18:44 
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Jaap Spies <j.spies@[E  2008-06-25 13:20:06 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-06-25 12:40:45 
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translogi <wilemien@[E  2008-06-25 05:05:32 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-25 15:23:41 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-06-26 08:34:42 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-28 16:11:45 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-06-30 09:30:56 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-06-26 01:45:26 
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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMe  2008-06-25 12:09:40 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-06-26 11:49:51 
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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMe  2008-06-26 17:14:18 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-06-26 11:51:57 
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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMe  2008-06-26 17:16:59 
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rAgAv <ragav.payne@[EM  2008-06-25 10:46:51 
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Jaap Spies <j.spies@[E  2008-06-25 22:06:56 
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rAgAv <ragav.payne@[EM  2008-06-25 11:12:08 
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rAgAv <ragav.payne@[EM  2008-06-25 22:04:08 
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Jaap Spies <j.spies@[E  2008-06-26 22:05:59 
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toni.lassila@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-06-26 03:57:20 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-06-26 14:59:09 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-28 16:25:36 
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"evw@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-06-26 04:45:02 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-06-26 15:04:58 
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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMe  2008-06-26 17:15:43 
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"evw@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-06-26 08:39:07 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-26 16:28:41 
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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMe  2008-06-26 23:35:04 
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rAgAv <ragav.payne@[EM  2008-06-26 20:03:32 
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rjf <fateman@[EMAIL PR  2008-06-26 21:27:20 
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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMe  2008-06-27 00:55:33 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-26 22:59:16 
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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMe  2008-06-27 10:46:00 
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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMe  2008-06-27 11:55:01 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-26 23:01:35 
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Aatu Koskensilta <aatu  2008-06-28 18:59:17 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-27 09:46:01 
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Aatu Koskensilta <aatu  2008-06-28 18:24:07 
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rAgAv <ragav.payne@[EM  2008-06-28 03:38:06 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-06-28 12:01:11 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-28 08:41:54 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-28 09:08:27 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-28 14:34:21 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-28 21:16:42 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-06-30 09:39:34 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-01 10:40:34 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-28 21:12:28 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
Jason Glumidge <Jason.  2008-06-29 19:25:22 
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rjf <fateman@[EMAIL PR  2008-06-29 19:54:22 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-06-30 00:14:00 
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Jason Glumidge <Jason.  2008-06-30 05:14:33 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-01 08:55:11 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-01 12:16:01 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-02 10:35:05 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-01 10:46:20 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-02 10:49:24 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-04 12:50:25 
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goto <goto@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-04 11:55:41 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-02 16:50:01 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-03 09:47:04 
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harper@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-07 12:03:38 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-01 13:27:07 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-02 18:01:52 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-03 09:54:12 
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Aleksej Saushev <asau@  2008-08-03 15:08:28 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-02 08:35:38 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-03 09:07:30 
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"zzbunker@[EMAIL PRO  2008-07-03 04:30:34 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-03 08:26:31 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-03 09:33:37 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 11:25:12 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-04 12:24:16 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-04 12:34:24 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-04 13:16:21 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-04 13:50:04 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-04 14:08:05 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-04 17:18:10 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-04 17:58:26 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-04 19:03:33 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-04 19:46:53 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-04 20:02:52 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-04 20:28:18 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-07 10:06:24 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-04 20:38:23 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
goto <goto@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-05 15:27:04 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-10 09:27:43 
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Nick <Nick.Spam@[EMAIL  2008-07-10 16:41:51 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-11 09:30:32 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 18:50:21 
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stevendaryl3016@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-12 11:24:16 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 20:37:52 
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stevendaryl3016@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-13 04:53:33 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 09:11:19 
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stevendaryl3016@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-14 04:21:30 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:20:05 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-14 16:45:02 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-14 10:08:15 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:13:52 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 16:54:59 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-16 16:30:32 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 17:04:27 
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Nick <Nick.Spam@[EMAIL  2008-07-12 11:18:26 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 10:56:02 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-16 16:53:45 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-12 08:56:47 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 19:54:14 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-14 10:14:10 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-12 09:23:01 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-12 17:17:55 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 21:15:01 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 17:31:39 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 17:45:05 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 18:10:44 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 18:24:05 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 09:09:28 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-13 08:17:13 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 13:18:57 
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Jason Glumidge <Jason.  2008-07-13 08:29:28 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-13 12:04:31 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 02:31:46 
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Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-07-14 09:54:26 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-14 10:17:59 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 14:33:52 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-16 09:35:27 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-18 07:59:03 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-14 10:41:05 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-14 10:41:38 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-14 10:55:35 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 16:03:57 
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Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-07-14 11:20:24 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-15 09:31:24 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 16:46:16 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-16 09:50:37 
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harper@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 09:02:27 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 10:01:08 
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goto <goto@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-17 12:31:55 
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harper@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-18 09:34:15 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-14 12:23:41 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 16:30:31 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-14 13:24:52 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-14 16:41:43 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-14 18:03:47 
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"zzbunker@[EMAIL PRO  2008-07-14 18:41:10 
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Jason Glumidge <Jason.  2008-07-15 01:08:55 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 17:54:40 
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Jason Glumidge <Jason.  2008-07-15 01:20:04 
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Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-07-15 03:41:15 
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Frederick Williams <fr  2008-07-15 15:20:53 
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Marshall <marshall.spi  2008-07-15 09:08:07 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-15 09:16:36 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-16 09:16:58 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-07-15 10:48:49 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-16 09:26:32 
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herbzet <herbzet@[EMAI  2008-07-16 01:33:43 
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Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-16 09:53:25 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-16 09:02:38 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-17 09:33:50 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-16 09:19:54 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
Han de Bruijn <Han.deB  2008-07-17 09:41:59 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-17 09:51:01 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-17 09:56:07 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-18 06:09:43 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-18 06:14:23 
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hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-18 10:01:51 
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julio@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-18 07:25:55 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-18 10:05:35 
Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians?
Herman Jurjus <hjurjus  2008-07-18 19:37:25 
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Antoine Hersen <antoin  2008-07-18 10:31:26 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-19 09:46:26 
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umumenu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-19 14:09:51 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-07-20 07:45:07 
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