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every day there is at least 1 birthday at the

by don.lotto@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 5, 2008 at 08:35 PM

Oteha Valley Primary School ban Bday Cakes tvnz
AUCKLAND.

at least 2 errors there. sorry.

A. "every day there is at least 1 birthday at the
school??" 400 pupils.
Oteha Valley Primary School ban Bday Cakes tvnz
AUCKLAND.??????????? Suppose 200 school days x 2
cakes, A and B, every day

bcc;  nzm nzmm  newss andr
dear editor,

B. or some cl***** have 4 birthdays/ week.?
teletext tvnz one news newstalk zb.

expectecd value (bdays on any day)  m =3D 400 / 365 ~=3D
1.1
poisson distribution.
Pr (0) =3D  e^ -m =3D exp(-1.1) ~=3D 0.33

some days no pupils will have a birthday, some days
will have 1 bday, and some more.

no.  there is a 1/3 chance that there will be no
birthdays on a particular day. so NOT EVERY DAY at
least 1...........birthdays.
I  challenge dispute that assertion.

so there could usually be 100+ days of a year with no
birthdays, probably.

it is an atom of chance that there are no birthdays
for 1460 days.  2920.
years 2oo5 06 2oo7. //  1896-1900-1904.
if e.g. every child is a leap baby.
would births be induced.


assignment problem? astronomical odds.

B.  expect 1/2 birthday per class per week.
Poisson discrete probability function.

Prob (X =3D 4) =3D  e ^-m x m^X / X!
=3D e^-.5 *.5^4 / 4!
=3D 1/ 633.

twins birthday problem.

primary school 400 pupils
ages 5-11 years. range =3D 7yrs?

siblings-- more likely to share a birthday.
because multiple births and 12 month?? gap between
children. ///seasons.

and siblings similar cl*****, IQ nature-nurture.

sometimes 4 birthday cakes in yr. year?
suppose 52 weeks/ yr and 26 children per class.

number of birthdays / class / week =3D 1/2 =3D 26/52 =3D
0.5.


Hadyn Jones tvnz,  4/4/08.
ONE News 630 pm..  Check Query.

hi, interesting maths...

Suppose 200 school days x 2 cakes exactly, A and B,
every day, and nil birthdays on non-school days/.
=3D 400 pupils.

a bit silly so try to stick to what hadyn actually
said, top of this msg.

(200A)(200B) =3D 400 ! / 2^200.  Permutation Factorial A
or B.  uncertain.

For the first time in 60 years I guessed:??
( 2n ) !  =3D  ( n !)^2 / 2^n. ??
clearly wrong  because ( 2n ) ! is greater and
contains prime factors e.g. 101 103  107  109...

Probability =3D (400 / e) ^400 / (2^200 x  365 ^400.)
=3D (1.1 / e)^400 / 2^200

=2E. =3D  400x (log 1.1 =96 log e) =96 200x log2
=3D 10 ^ -217 =3D 1/ (100^108) =3D 1/ googol ^2
ouchh!!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

=3D .000  [216 zeroes] =851,             APPROXIMATELY.

Extremely ^ to the extremely rare.

----------  my first envelope calculation.
take first 200 pupils and link them to 200 different
school days.
=3D 200 !  factorial ways.
=3D 200*199*198*197*............*2*1.

do the same with the second 200 pupils.
it is extremely xxxx !!!! unlikely!

compare 400 birthdays uniformly scattered on 365 days.

probability =3D ( 200 !)^2 / 365 ^ 400
=3D  (200/  365 e) ^400 =3D  (200/ 1000) ^400
=3D 5^-400 =3D 125 ^-133 ~=3D 10 ^-300.
=3D .000  [300 zeroes..] ..1.
probability.

Yours truly,  Donald S. McDonald WGTN
04/389-6820.
Researched with frank c  6.04.08  NZST.
 




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