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Re: One brain's unorthodox mental representation of computation

by "Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 10, 2005 at 04:04 PM

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:22:46 -0400, "Joe" <xxx@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>My comments are inline.
>
>/Joe
>
>"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>news:8kkkf1pc6pv29abfersa4a4odg8d0ifivm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On 10 Aug 2005 11:07:51 -0700, "The Daily Excerpt" <bzbz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>[QUOTE] Tammet is calculating 377 multiplied by 795. Actually, he isn't
>>>"calculating": there is nothing conscious about what he is doing. He
>>>arrives at the answer instantly. Since his epileptic fit, he has been
>>>able to see numbers as shapes, colours and textures. The number two,
>>>for instance, is a motion, and five is a clap of thunder. "When I
>>>multiply numbers together, I see two shapes. The image starts to change
>>>and evolve, and a third shape emerges. That's the answer. It's mental
>>>imagery. It's like maths without having to think."
>>>
>>>.... Last year Tammet broke the European record for recalling pi, the
>>>mathematical constant, to the furthest decimal point. He found it easy,
>>>he says, because he didn't even have to "think". To him, pi isn't an
>>>abstract set of digits; it's a visual story, a film projected in front
>>>of his eyes. He learnt the number forwards and backwards and, last
>>>year, spent five hours recalling it in front of an adjudicator. He
>>>wanted to prove a point. "I memorised pi to 22,514 decimal places, and
>>>I am technically disabled. I just wanted to show people that disability
>>>needn't get in the way."
>>>
>>>FROM: http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1409903,00.html
>>>
>> 'Consciousness' is a quale on brain activity,
>> similar to redness is a quale on certain sensory
>> input. Thus 'consciousness' is as 'real' as redness.
>> Both are functional delusions.
>
>I assume that you mean that certain patterns of brain activity give rise
to 
>what most of us perceive as consciousness, just as certain patterns of 
>sensory input give rise to what most of us perceive as redness. If we 
>dismiss 

Why do you dismiss? I did not. I said functional delusion.
Do you understand the word 'functional'?
Representations of what is going on in our brain based 
models is very 'functional'. Though a construct, that representation
has been found useful by evolution. What word or phrase would you 
use other than 'delusion'? 'Illusion' is too weak.

>such concepts as delusional, I don't see how we can avoid dismissing 
>all perception - and therefore the ideas which we derive thereby - as 
>delusion. Aside from being able to tell ourselves, "There! Now we
understand 
>everything", I don't see what it gets us.
>
>Besides, functionally speaking, it seems to me would be unwise to allow 
>someone who is not acquainted with both concepts behind the wheel of an 
>automobile. .
>>
>> On savant autism : perhaps 'being human' is a preferred(normal)
>> form of autism. It takes genius information transformation and
>> confabulation to produce and project a 'personified self'.
>> --
>> Best,
>> Frederick Martin McNeill
>> Poway, California, United States of America
>> mmcneill@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.fuzzysys.com
>> http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill/
>> *************************
>> Phrase of the week :
>> "Your neocortex is reading this book."
>> -"On Intelligence"-Jeff Hawkins (1957-)
>> :-))))Snort!)
>> ************************* 
>

--
Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 of the week :
"Your neocortex is reading this book."
-"On Intelligence"-Jeff Hawkins (1957-)
 :-))))Snort!)
*************************
 




 6 Posts in Topic:
One brain's unorthodox mental representation of computation
"The Daily Excerpt&q  2005-08-10 11:07:51 
Re: One brain's unorthodox mental representation of computation
"Sir Frederick"  2005-08-10 12:27:03 
Re: One brain's unorthodox mental representation of computation
"Joe" <xxx@[  2005-08-10 18:22:46 
Re: One brain's unorthodox mental representation of computation
"Brian Fletcher"  2005-08-10 22:57:58 
Re: One brain's unorthodox mental representation of computation
"Sir Frederick"  2005-08-10 16:04:37 
Re: One brain's unorthodox mental representation of computation
"Joe" <xxx@[  2005-08-11 20:03:53 

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