misc.education.home-school.christian FAQ (Revised 2007)
DEFINITIONS
Homeskool
1 - Miseducation / brainwa****ng done by illiterate parents, usually to
"protect" thier children from "evil, secular" society.
2. - The alternative for those who are so deranged that they don't want an
education for their kids.
2. - An option for fundamentalist Trew Kristyun parents who are too poor
for
private school.
MEHSC
1. misc.education.home-school.christian
2. misedjakayshun - homeskool -trew kristyun
3. The http://www.meh-sc.org/
Ghost Town
http://www.meh-sc.org/:
1. Sanctuary for brain-dead trew homeskoolas.
2. Gated trew homeskoola grey hiding place free from the challenge of
professional educators who pose questions that homeskoolas can't answer.
3. Brandon Staggs' Trew Homeskoola Lunatic Asylum For the Educationally
Demented, Intellectually Challenged And Fundamentally Fecked
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RULES
There are only three rules:
RULE 1 - REPEATED AD HOMINEM ATTACKS AND CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
If you have any intelligence or a different opinion to the brain-dead
homeskoolas at misc.education.home-school.christian or
(http://www.meh-sc.org/)
then you will be called called "troll"
etc(especially if you have any recognised teaching qualification). An
irrational inquisition / witch hunt will then be followed by crucifixion
/stoning / burning at the stake.
RULE 2 - QUESTIONING, THINKING AND CRITICAL REFLECTION BANNED
Trew homeskoolas are not capable of doing any of these mortal homeskool
sins. If you ask questions then you looking for information to discredit
homeskoolun. Forcing them to think and to critixcally refelcet in what
they
are doing is being worldly. Try any of these things and you can't be a
"Trew
Kristyun".
RULE 3 - THOU SHALT SUP****T STEVE WINTER
Trew Homeskoolas luv "pasta" Steve Winter ....
Examples:
"Snapper" wrote:
> "Pastor Steve Winter" wrote
>>I put some of our music videos on the web.
>> Christian homeschoolers in action.
>> http://winterhaven.zippyvideos.com
>> Pastor Winter
> Cool as! I've listened to a couple, my only negative comment is that I
> can't seem to download them .... they play great on-line but I'd still
> rather be able to listen off-line.
&
"Dalene Barnes" wrote:
> Steve, thanks for taking the time to posts the links!
&
"Jayne Kulikauskas" wrote:
> Pastor Winter. His posts on homeschooling are quite
> welcome and appropriate here.
&
"Wayne D. Schissler" schiss...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> civil and lucid. Here, Steve has been both.
> I concure with Jayne's opinion.
&
"Marty Carts" wrote:
> Steve Winter is *not* an unmitigated pain.
THAT explains why the people at http://www.meh-sc.org/
and formerly on
misc.education.home-school.christian are SO WEIRD!!!!
Steve Winter FAQ
http://users.rcn.com/sadams.enteract/winfaq.html
Things you may need to know if you have dealings with Steve Winter.
The Adams - Steve Winter FAQ
http://adamsemail.net/winter/winfaq.html
The Official Steve Winter FAQ contains im****tant information to understand
why Steve Winter is such a problem on the net.
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FAQ answered by the NG members:
* Will I find anything of worth regarding education on this NG that I
don't
already know because I attended school once ...a long time ago?
No ... not really ...what's education???? ...we only homeskool ..."we
don't
need no education, we don't need no thought control ...teacher, leave us
kids alone"... go away ... I'm playing with my kids!!! Me 'n Bubba jes'
learns 'em at home. Werks reel good!
* Will I have an intelligent logical ratrional conversation with any
person
on this NG?
Nope ... now bugger off .... I'm playing with my kids!
* Is this NG plagued by Trew Kristyuns?
No ... "Trew Kristyuns" are not a plague ... just a very horrible disease
.... let us show you how much we luv you ...really ... we just have to
collect the wood for the fire ... and the petrol for the fuel ... and the
rope to .... oh well ... you don't need to know about that right now
...now
bugger off ....I'm playing with my kids!
* Is his group friendly?
Yes, to our own kind ...unfortunately you are the Other .... an outsider
...
because of this you will be treated to our friendly "Trew Kristyun luv"
(See
RULE 1) ... this is because you are inferior and the lowest of the low ...
only homeskoolas are able to access the wisdom of God .... only home
skoolers know everything in the universe about education ... and only home
skoolers can get their heads that far up
their arses ...so there!! ...now bugger off! ...go away! ...still got to
do
more playing with my kids ...I mean more 'Trew Homeskoolun Ejakashun"
...... you STILL here? ...... bugger off! ... I'm off to perform more
witchdoctory and diy brain surgery
Surgery isn't something for professionals only. Anyone can do it. It's
just carving up meat.
Us DIY surgeons don't want any government interference with our surgery.
It's our kids we are operating on and we know what's best for the little
buggers. I own my kids so I can experiment on them as I wish. I especially
like experiments using electricty, bare wires and a power socket.
I went to hospital once so I know everything about DIY brain surgery. I've
also watched a lot of soap operas about hospitals. I've read several DIY
brain surgery books and even attended several DIY brain surgery seminars.
It's very easy to do brain surgery as it comes naturally to everyone.
Everyone is born with the ability to do brain surgery because everyone can
use a knife. I use a knife every day to cut up my own food and my kid's
food. That proves that I'm qualified to do DIY brain surgery.
Scalpel? I don't need a scapel. I've got a steak knife and its sharp
enough. If it doesn't cut through I can always use the chain saw.
Anaesthetic? That's just fancy professional doctor stuff. You don't need
it. You just hit the kid over the head with your steel reinforced KJV
bible. That knocks 'em out.
If you really know your child well you can just ask where it hurts, open
up
their head, operate and stitch it back up with some cotton and a few
safety
pins. It works just as good as that fancy medical professional stuff.
I don't need to *****s or diagnose whether DIY brainsurgery is needed or
not. I like doing it and the kids turn out a whole lot better after I'm
finished. I just ask Junior "You got a headche, Junior?" or "Are you
thinking again?" and if Junior's head wobbles or Junior's head is a bit
pale
I operate.
What's really neat is that you can use the leftovers for a family
casserole
meal. The kids love it! Great big juicy brain blobs deep fried! Yummy!
Here we go!
Oops!
Made a mistake!
Better take them to a DIY brain surgery hospital.
Oops!
The DIY brain surgery hospital made a mistake!
Better send the kids to a real hospital with professional doctors who know
what they are doing.
Oops!
Too late!
The kids are dead.
Oh well ...
Time to make some more kids so I can continue my career as a DIY surgeon.
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APPLICATION TO JOIN misc.education.home-school.christian
Amended 2007
*Mandatory for all Newbies
Personal Information
[_] Mr.
[_] Mrs.
[_] Ms.
[_] Miss
[_] Troll Namer
[_] Crusader
[_] Infidel Slayer
[_] Winnie The Pooh Fan
[_] Paranoid Sociopath (with gun fetish)
[_] Creationist
First Name: ___________________________
Last Name: __________________________
Estimated age: ____
How many dozen kids do you homeskool?: ____
Do you own a kitchen table to homeskool at? ___
Can you read and rite (sort of)? ______________
1. Who can vouch that you really are a Trew Homeskoola?
[_] Trailer park manager
[_] Parole Officer
[_] Local drug dealer
[_] Gun store owner
[_] Trew Kristyun Pasta
[_] Fellow Trew Homeskoola
[_] Napoleon
[_] My Mom
[_] Answers In Genesis
[_] A Beka books from unaccredited Pensacola Christian College
2. How did you find out about misc.education.home-school.christian?
[_] I'm perfick and I know everything coz I'm a Trew Homeskoola
[_] The Homeskool Fairy told me about it
[_] None of your business, troll!
[_] Answers In Genesis
[_] A Beka books from unaccredited Pensacola Christian College
3. Are you able to shout "Troll!" with every post you send?
[_] Yes
[_] No
[_] Carnt spel trol as i em homeskooled
4. If you are a Trew Homeskool how was your homeskool acquired?:
[_] Cracker Jack / Cereal Box
[_] Extortion
[_] Made it myself from human waste
[_] Found it on the kitchen table
[_] Fell off the back of a truck
[_] A Beka books from unaccredited Pensacola Christian College
[_] Answers in Genesis
5. What made you decide on joining misc.education.home-school.christian?
(Check all that apply):
[_] Ratbaggery
[_] Chance to flame professional educators
[_] Didn't take my medication
[_] I was drunk at the time
[_] I am a member of the Fundamentalist Dark Age
[_] Dunno
[_] Meaningless whim
[_] Winnie The Pooh Fetish
[_] I like to gossip
[_] I like to repeat "Troll!" ad nauseum
[_] I heard a command to join even though I was wearing my Tin Foil Beanie
[_] I like playing with me kids ... and dead things ... and poking 'em
with
a stick
6. Please check the subjects you are willing/capable to homeskool in
[_] Illegal drug industry
[_] Hanging by the neck
[_] Gang member/leader
[_] Burning crosses / churches and homes
[_] Phone scamming
[_] Stoning with real stones
[_] E-Mail scamming
[_] Crucifixion
[_] Home invasion ring member/leader
[_] Auto theft
[_] Welfare scamming
[_] Terrorism
[_] Convenience store clerk
[_] Tar and feathering
[_] Homeskool
[_] Playing with guns (Kindergaten to beginning of High School only)
[_] Creationism as science
[_] Phrenology, blood letting, astrology, tarot card reading, etc etc etc
as
science
7. How would you describe yourself and your beliefs? (Check all that
apply):
[_] Religious fanatic
[_] Funnymentalist
[_] Universal Hatemonger
[_] Anti-educator
[_] Trew Homeskoola
[_] UFOlogist
[_] Paranoid Psychotic with gun fetish
[_] Creationist ratbag
8. What activities do you enjoy participating in on a regular basis?:
[_] Recreational drug use
[_] Religious persecutions
[_] Rape/murder/mayhem
[_] Crucifixion and stoning
[_] Occassional tar and feathering
[_] Intimidation
[_] Singing Ren & Stimpy's "Happy Happy Joy Joy" song
Thank you for taking the time to fill out your Application to join
misc.education.home-school.christian.
Send your completed application to Seckrateary Farty Carts c/o
miseducation - homeskool -trew kristyun.
Please enjoy the little that your new newsgroup has to offer and don't
hesitate to call people Trolls if they have a different opinion to
yourself.
Remember, you don't have to change - you're a Trew Homeskoola!
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TYPICAL SCHEDULE FOR HOMESKOOLA
Uniform: Pyjamas.
9:00-11:30: KJV Bible Study
11:30-1:30: Discussion of the latest James Dobson / Tim LaHaye book
2:00-3:00: Seminar: "Why Moslems are evil and ***ually promiscous and why
Jesus tells us to hate them, invade them and bomb their countires"
3:00-4:00:
Daughters: lesson in cooking, sewing or houskeeping
Sons: Trew Kristyun Math (1 + 1 + 1 = 1, 1 day = 1 000 years), Science
(Young Earth Creationism), History (White Trew Kristyun Domination Of The
World), Government (George W - God's Chosen Messiah, Bringing Peace to The
World By Bombing It To Pieces), or King Jimmy English.
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THE REASON FOR http://www.meh-sc.org/:
In the past, the Usenet newsgroup misc.education.home-school.christian was
a
dreadful place for anyone interested in education, Trew Kristyun
homeskoolas
discussed sundry topics unrelated related to the educational practice of
home schooling and called professional educators "trolls".
As a result of the inability of these brain-dead Trew Kriustyun
homeskoolas
to look at educational issues via reflective praxis and their refusal to
engage in educational debate, the meh-sc newsgroup became less and less
useful as a place for good information or discussion
These brain-dead Trew Kristyun homeskoolas desired an exclusive forum
without the challenge from professional educators who posed questions that
they could not answer.
Fundamentalist Brandon Staggs had the rights to the name and formed
http://www.meh-sc.org/:.
Below is a critique of
http://www.brandonstaggs.com/biblical-reasons-to-home-school.html
which is
typical of most Christian fundamentalist home schoolers' erroneous beliefs
on education ...mainly based on Old Testament proof verses.
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>Offered here are just a handful of verses from God's word
This is one of the reasons homeschoolers should be very careful! Home
schooling is dominated by rabid fundamentalists who do not value learning
for the sake of learning. Brandon thinks the bible is the "Word of God'
when in fact it is an ancient collection of books about people's
experience
of God. If one reads all the bible it clearly states that Jesus is the
Word
of God (John 1: 1) Such verses seem not to be read by literalists.
> There are hundreds of reasons to reject the usage of the government
> education system, including social, moral, academic, ethical, political,
> and "religious" reasons. For a Christian, especially a Christian who
> values the authority of Scripture, God's own words on the matter should
> settle >the issue.
This is much the same type of introduction that Christian School advocates
give for their system to be the "one and only Christian way" to educate
children. It is simply not true in any aspect whatsoever. This is an
unsubstantiated biased claim based on subjective opinion on bible proof
verses taken out of context.
The word "school" does not appear in either the Old or New Testament and
therefore the bible cannot be used to back any particular school system.
Early Christians sent their children to classical schools. Educational
concerns about the classical schools (primary or secondary) Christians
sent
their children to was not an issue in any of the New Testament letters.
The
letters also fail to recognise anything concerned with church as
schooling.
As William Barclay correctly pointed out:
"The New Testament lays down no kind of curriculum of training for the
child; the New Testament knows nothing about religious education and
nothing
about schools; for the New Testament is certain that the only training
which
really matters is given within the home, and that there are no teachers so
effective for good and evil as parents." (William Barclay, Educational
Ideals in the Ancient World, Grand Rapids, Mich: Baker Book House: 1974.,
p.236)
That is NOT to say that parents are naturally good at teaching academic
subjects! While professional teachers are best at teaching facts, concepts
and skills the changing of attitudes and value inculcation is best done by
parents who are not trained in teaching facts, concepts and skills. Use
the
people best suited for what you want to achieve. It should be noted that
most home schoolers have no formal teaching qualifications whatsoever. It
is like refusing to send your child to a qualified professional surgeon to
have an operation and performing the task yourself on your kitchen table
because "as a parent I know the child better ... and surgery is only using
a
knife ...which I use to cut up the meat and veg every day ... simple!" DIY
surgery is a metaphor of homeschooling.
In the 4th century the Emperor Julian challenged the Christians to take
their children out of the classical schools, where other gods were taught,
and to retreat to their own schools where they could be taught out of
"Matthew and Luke". He was determined to force on Christians the
educationalconsequences of the New Testament. The Emperor Julian uses the
word "anetos" to describe the children of Christian parents ... it means
"mindless". He suggested that they be cured by an Hellenistic education.
However, children were not penalised because of their parent's beliefs and
the classical schools remained open to all people. Two people named
Apollinaris (father and son) converted the bible into pseudo-classical
literature with the Pentateuch as a Homeric epic and the gospels as
Platonic
dialogues because Julian compelled Christians to to work from texts
written
in sub-classical Greek.
In subsequent centuries Christians developed a quasi-educational system to
teach the New Testament but this did not come into conflict with classical
schooling in any practical manner. basil, Bishop of Caesarea in
Cappadocia,
wrote "To Young Men on the Advantages of Greek Literature" which suggested
that pupils need not be corrupted by their work, but the onus was upon
parents (and also secondarily teachers) within the church to train them in
Christian belief after school.
The historical fact is that Christians educated their children fully
within
the secular system for the first four centuries after Christ's death in
spite of any contradiction that might have posed. They contradicted any
negative influence by biblical training at church and home.
Alternate schooling by fundamentalists, including home schooling, is a
reaction of their intimidated by pluralism and modernity. Jesus speaks of
being salt and light in the world not of running away from it. There would
be far fewer home schools if the world was stuck back in the 1950s where
fundamentalists wish to drag everybody.
> So here we attempt to explain a conviction we have through the only
> objective way possible: Holy Scripture.
Actually this is a very biased way which only works if you are a rabid
fundamentalist. Other Christians, like myself, do not take the bible as
the
final word on anything. A Christian is meant to use their God given brain.
This explanation is also not useful for Moslems, Buddhists, Jews,
Atheists,
Agnostics, etc etc etc. It ONLY works for fundamentalists ... just like
creation pseudo-science it is to be totally rejected as the subjective
opinion of fanatics.
Universal schooling is a modern invention and a culturally determined
phenomenon. As a result direct appeal to the bible as "proof" for a
schooling system is inadmissible.
The bible uses terms associated with the teaching ministry within a church
and educational metaphors but these cannot be honestly transposed to
sup****t
any Christian schooling concept. The Greeks had discussed education in
much
the same terms as we do today by the time of Jesus ... but this is NOT
what
the New Testament mentions.
The sacrifice that pleases God is that which engages the mind. (Romans
12:1).
> a heathen school
They are PUBLIC schools open to all, not "heathen" schools .... which is a
pejorative term. Should one also refer to home schooling as "home skoolun"
in the same manner?
There are many well educated professional teachers working in the public
schools who are Christians. I was one of them!
It saddens me that there are so many Christian parents in home schooling
who
refuse to critically reflect on their choice of homeschooling and who
constantly demonise anyone who disagrees with them. I have been referred
to
as a "troll" by people far less qualified to speak on the matter of
education and who have far less understanding of the bible. (See posts
to Trew Kristyun thugs at misc.education.home-school.christian)
Furthermore, there seems to be no professional reading of any high quality
done by homeschoolers. Having refused to even consider criticism their
refuge is in poorly written fundamentalist "books" which no worthy
academic
educational journal would consider publi****ng. As a result they are left
to
wander in a sea of mutual ignorance. It is not their ignorance that
worries me as much as the damage they do to innocent children who deserve
much better than the amateurish witchdoctor type "edjakashun" of home
schooling.
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In our times, various ideologically dedicated groups increasingly use
censor****p, coercion, or propaganda to limit access to ideas, literature,
and the arts that they consider threatening. p.74
Censor****p, the twin brother of propaganda, is the tool of despots, of
idealogues, of ayatollahs, of fantics. p.96
Franky Schaeffer "Sham Pearls For Real Swine" ( Wolgemuth & Hyatt;
Brentwood:1990) [Francis Schaeffer's son & Susan Schaeffer Macaulay's
brother]
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MEHSC MOBERATOR WARNING TEMPLATE
Dear Trew Homeskoola Brandon Staggs bsta...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
am refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view. You make
silence
a wonderful thing to look forward to. However I took exception to your
recent homeskool scribble.
It was:
[X] Illiterate
[X] Irrational
[X] Uninformed
[X] Written with a blunt crayon that had been stuck up someone's nose
[X] Written on a slate covered with puke
[X] Written on both sides of used toilet paper
Your attention is drawn to the fact that:
[X] You contradicted professional educators who know far more about
education than you will ever know in several lifetimes
[X] You contradicted yourself several times
[X] You agreed with infamous internet kook Steve Winter
[X] You mindlessly dribbled and belched several times
[X] You repeatedly assumed unwarranted spiritual, moral, intellectual and
/
or educational superiority
[X] You mentioned nothing about real education but waffled on about
homeskool ratbaggery and DIY amateur experimentation on children
[X] You keep talking to yourself in Homeskoolese
It is recommended that you:
[X] Devote your life to homeskooling in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[X] Get an education
[X] Learn how to spell
[X] Stop your abusive DIY amateur experimentation on children
[X] Start up a Homeskool Klown Skool
[X] Pay the standard $100 (Aus) Abuse Fine to the Moberator for your
childish fearfilled abusive homeskool behaviour
QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND YOU BETTER:
[X] Are you from the shallow end of the gene pool?
[X] Do you want fries with that?
Please save this message and review it occasionally to determine your
progress toward being;
[X] a tolerable homeskoola
[X] a fully-functional human being
[X] integrated into humanity
[X] re-integrated into the wild
If what you don't know can't hurt you, you're practically invulnerable.
You are hereby WARNED that future posting in the manner outlined above may
void your standing as a MESHC Member and you will have to reapply.
Thank you for taking the time to read this warning.
The MEHSC Moberator
On behalf of the MESHC Committed
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PRAY FOR SATAN'S SALVATION
(Sup****ted by misc.education.home-school.christian)
Dear Friend,
Imagine a world free of sin, evil and misery.
Pretty sweet, huh?
Pray for Satan's salvation and make that dream come true! Jesus died for
all
our sins, the least we can do is milk that sweet sacrifice dry.
Pray for Satan, and show Jesus that you've been paying attention.
Because don't forget, miracles are a dime a dozen in Heaven.
Let me address some questions you may have.
God wants me to pray for Satan? Are you sure?
Yes! We've finally solved the Bible, and all you gotta do is pray for
Satan!
What better way to show unconditional, selfless love than to pray for the
Prince of All Evil?
But Satan can't be saved, can he?
Of course he can! Do you think the [Christian] God isn't powerful and
loving
enough to forgive Satan? The Bible says: All things are possible through
prayer." And last I checked "All things" included every single thing, and
that means Satan too! C'mon people, this is what we should have been doing
since day one! What were we thinking?!? Jesus Christ, it's so basic!
Great! So what do I have to do?
Good question! Simply pray that Satan sees the mistakes he's made, asks
for
forgiveness and invites Jesus into his heart as his own personal savior!
Is there anybody else I could pray for while I'm at it?
Stop wasting your time praying for anyone else. If Satan repents you may
never have to say another prayer for anyone ever again! Imagine that, no
more evil and sin! Just happiness and love! And Satan will then use his
powers for good! Think of it, we'll be telling our grandchildren about
what
sin was!
And when Satan does repent, then what do we do!
How does "Live happily ever after, forever" - sound?
The Christian God's promise that ANYTHING is possible through the power of
prayer (Luke 18:27) should've been our first clue that this is what we
should be doing. No one is exempt from God's mercy and forgiveness! How
did
we miss this one?!
Perhaps it is the only prayer that God has been waiting for so that He can
give us the ultimate showing of His mercy and forgiveness. The saving of
Satan's soul!
So I beg you to join me in this prayer and ask God for these 4 things:
· Pray that God will let bygones be bygones and put this eternal
feud to rest for the good of mankind.
· Pray that Satan sees the error of his ways; acknowledges his
wrongdoing and asks for forgiveness.
· Pray that Satan uses his powers to spread the word of God and help
others to believe in God's powers of hope and forgiveness.
· And finally, pray that Satan himself asks the Lord Jesus Christ
into his heart.
Can you imagine the world that we could make for our children (and our
children's children)? A world where Satan and God together use their
powers
for good. A world where the old Satan-bigoted Christian belief is
forgotten
and a New Christian Faith begins, with more love, compassion and
acceptance
of absolutely EVERYONE ... including the Prince of All Darkness. The
generations of the 3rd millennium will recognize the face of Satan as the
ultimate repentance and the limitless mercy of The Almighty Christian God.
There would be nothing more beautiful than the image of Jesus and Satan on
either side of Heaven's Throne, all working through the Holy Ghost to save
EVERY soul!
This is what I pray for, and I ask that you would too.
Amen.
Brother John
CR Institute for Advances Christian Studies
Christianity Revealed
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See the "Please Pray For Satan's Salvation" comic at
http://www.normalbobsmith.com/satanssalvation/
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