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Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices

by Banty <Banty_member@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 25, 2008 at 06:22 AM

In article <fusla6020l8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Banty says...
>
>In article <jfl31417fve8ml5eocirv8fa2pqa84qehs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Bob LeChevalier
says...
>>
>>Beliavsky <beliavsky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/science/25math.html
>>>Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
>>>By Kenneth Chang
>>>New York Times, April 25, 2008
>>>
>>>'One train leaves Station A at 6 p.m. traveling at 40 miles per hour
>>>toward Station B. A second train leaves Station B at 7 p.m. traveling
>>>on parallel tracks at 50 m.p.h. toward Station A. The stations are 400
>>>miles apart. When do the trains pass each other?
>>>
>>>Entranced, perhaps, by those infamous hypothetical trains, many
>>>educators in recent years have incor****ated more and more examples
>>>from the real world to teach abstract concepts. The idea is that
>>>making math more relevant makes it easier to learn.
>>
>>Actually, that isn't the idea that I've seen.  The idea is that making
>>math more relevant makes kids more willing to learn, and provides at
>>least some hope that they'll have some use for the math once they walk
>>away from the classroom.
>
>From my physics and engineering training, math is exactly *about*
describing the
>real world.  Indeed, aspects of the real world can only be approached
>mathematically (relativity, quantum physics).
>
>So the idea of not invoking the real world in teaching mathematics makes
>absolutely no sense.
>
>I haven't read the article, but I suspect it's not invoking real world
examples
>that have hobbled math education.  Rather, it's the reliance on
expressing math
>oin *verbal* terms in the kind of examples that elementary schools have
favored
>lately (see many threads in misc.kids about that).

I just read the article.  I don't know if it's more in the headlining, or
the
usual news media oversimplification int his article, but from this study
teachers would *not* be "scapping" balls and slices.  (Or trains, as in
the
first paragraph.)  Balls and trains have been discussed in elementary
phsyics
and algebra forever.

From the article:

________________________

In the experiment, the college students learned a simple but unfamiliar
mathematical system, essentially a set of rules. Some learned the system
through
purely abstract symbols, and others learned it through concrete examples
like
combining liquids in measuring cups and tennis balls in a container.
________________________

This is about the learning-by-doing active learning model, not about
relating
real-world concrete examples to mathematics.  Learning *through* pouring
stuff
and counting stuff, rather than having the abstract *related to* volumes,
speeds, etc.

And, yes, I'm not surprised it doesn't work well for mathematics.

Kids need to learn the abstraction (it *is* abstractions after all) AND
have the
world world application.  But the abstract representation is basic.

Banty
 




 25 Posts in Topic:
Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Beliavsky <beliavsky@[  2008-04-24 23:58:25 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-04-25 04:36:39 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-04-25 09:05:12 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Banty <Banty_member@[E  2008-04-25 06:11:34 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Banty <Banty_member@[E  2008-04-25 06:22:52 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Penny Gaines <penny@[E  2008-04-25 15:33:39 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-27 21:50:14 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Chookie <ehrebeniuk@[E  2008-04-30 22:18:31 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-30 13:48:46 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Ericka Kammerer <eek@[  2008-04-25 09:18:10 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-27 21:33:31 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
mom0f4boys <momshea4@[  2008-04-27 20:06:36 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Banty <Banty_member@[E  2008-04-28 04:37:46 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-28 21:23:19 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
laraine <lariadc@[EMAI  2008-04-30 11:45:06 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-03 22:39:26 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-04 08:10:07 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
njoy00 <njoy00@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 13:26:01 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"hschinske@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-04 17:35:40 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 21:39:15 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-15 22:35:00 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scratch Balls and Lice
Mensanator <mensanator  2008-05-15 23:48:52 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Dom <DRosa@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 08:23:51 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-16 18:39:16 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Dom <DRosa@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 19:07:50 

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