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Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices

by Banty <Banty_member@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 28, 2008 at 04:37 AM

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mom0f4boys says...
>
>This thread makes me a little sad, because my mathematical ability is
>somewhere around the level of an 8th grader, and I don't think that
>will ever change.  I care about this issue on behalf of my kids.
>    I'm 37.  When I was in elementary school, the style was 'drill,
>drill, drill'.  For a while, I thought I was a math whiz, because in
>the 100 question multiplication quizzes, I was always the first to
>smack my pencil down: done!
>     In the higher elementary grades, I still got correct answers, but
>my teachers chided me for skipping steps.  I found this aggravating,
>and concluded that I must be really smart (ha).  In junior high, math
>got more complex.  I was bothered that plain old arithmetic did not
>make answers just appear in my head without doing the steps.  I got
>through exponents and factoring, somewhat, but in high school, I found
>myself nearly in tears trying to slog through the problems. I
>memorized the steps, but I didn't understand them, and I hated those
>pencil-and-paper sessions of going through steps I didn't understand.
>I eventually quit school at age 16 (not over math).
>      Fast-forwarding, when my oldest son was in first grade, he had a
>homework assignment with simple addition.  It showed a picture of 5
>pennies, and another picture of 3 pennies, and asked how much were ALL
>the pennies.  And at the bottom, it said "How did you get your
>answer?"
>         The answer is 'I added 3 to 5', but my son was stressed.  He
>had added 3 to 5 and gotten 8, and that process was so obvious to him
>that he was confused at the question.  It was as if he had patted a
>kitten, and said 'The kitten is soft...', and then someone asked him
>'How do you know the kitten is soft?'
>         The answer is 'Because I am touching the kitten'.  But that
>is already obvious, and who would ask such a silly question.... so the
>person being asked the silly question wonders if there is something
>that he has missed.
>         These 'show your process' questions are part of the quest for
>better math ability in the U.S., I guess, but as a math failure and a
>mom, I find them annoying.

Ah - there have been many threads about that one in misc.kids.  The "math
must
be verbal and kids don't understand math until they can verbalize it"
thing.

Yes, it is a problem; my personal opinion on it is that it is because
mathematically inclined people do *not* enter elemenary education.  So we
have
verbally-inclined educators developing programs based on how they would
have
liked math presented to *them*.

It is worse than irritating - it leaves the students actually talented at
math
to lose and get discouraged.

Banty
 




 25 Posts in Topic:
Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Beliavsky <beliavsky@[  2008-04-24 23:58:25 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-04-25 04:36:39 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-04-25 09:05:12 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Banty <Banty_member@[E  2008-04-25 06:11:34 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Banty <Banty_member@[E  2008-04-25 06:22:52 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Penny Gaines <penny@[E  2008-04-25 15:33:39 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-27 21:50:14 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Chookie <ehrebeniuk@[E  2008-04-30 22:18:31 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-30 13:48:46 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Ericka Kammerer <eek@[  2008-04-25 09:18:10 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-27 21:33:31 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
mom0f4boys <momshea4@[  2008-04-27 20:06:36 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Banty <Banty_member@[E  2008-04-28 04:37:46 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-28 21:23:19 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
laraine <lariadc@[EMAI  2008-04-30 11:45:06 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-03 22:39:26 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-04 08:10:07 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
njoy00 <njoy00@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 13:26:01 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"hschinske@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-04 17:35:40 
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"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 21:39:15 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-15 22:35:00 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scratch Balls and Lice
Mensanator <mensanator  2008-05-15 23:48:52 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Dom <DRosa@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 08:23:51 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-16 18:39:16 
Re: Study Suggests Math Teachers Scrap Balls and Slices
Dom <DRosa@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 19:07:50 

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