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Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)

by Rupert Swarbrick <rswarbrick@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 4, 2008 at 12:37 PM

"michalchik@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <michalchik@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:

> I always teach them that there are cases when this won't work and your
> would need to test with all numbers to be sure. The remultiplying
> before cancelling allwos them to check one step in a simplification
> but not the whole process. You might be right that -2 would be a good
> choice but I will have to think about it. As for the ad hominum attack
> that I must think I am really clever for thinking of this, I do not
> and never pretended to be so. I posted here to hear if people had
> better suggestions and get an idea of what reasonable objections
> people had.

Well about your actual question, yes, -3 seems good. But as others
have pointed out, more numbers would always be safer.

Thinking about it, I'd probably instead check with 0,1,-1 and then
maybe 2. This probably doesn't take longer on most expressions than
just -3 since in lots of cases esp. 0 and 1 will be trivial to
calculate. And powers of 0,1,-1 are easy! But any coincidental
identity for 3 is getting really unlikely to hold for all of four
numbers.

Of course, this is never going to be a proof. But you (and hopefully
your pupils) know that.

Rupert
 




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Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-03 17:57:33 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Mensanator <mensanator  2008-05-03 18:32:10 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-03 23:23:45 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Arturo Magidin <magidi  2008-05-03 23:42:37 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Rupert Swarbrick <rswa  2008-05-04 12:32:57 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 00:23:14 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Rupert Swarbrick <rswa  2008-05-04 12:37:58 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
magidin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-04 18:14:51 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Mensanator <mensanator  2008-05-04 07:57:54 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-05-04 13:58:49 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 21:24:06 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
magidin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-05 14:29:23 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 21:34:13 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-05-05 04:53:02 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Bill Dubuque <wgd@[EMA  2008-05-15 01:17:21 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"Dave L. Renfro"  2008-05-05 08:56:34 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Mensanator <mensanator  2008-05-05 10:20:02 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
fflittle@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-05 10:42:52 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Mensanator <mensanator  2008-05-05 11:06:40 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-06 03:33:17 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
magidin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-06 13:49:41 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Rupert Swarbrick <rswa  2008-05-06 16:30:09 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-06 03:47:56 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
"michalchik@[EMAIL P  2008-05-09 04:03:22 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-05-15 05:39:05 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Fatal <fatal@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-15 15:09:25 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Bill Dubuque <wgd@[EMA  2008-05-15 13:44:58 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-05-15 10:46:16 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Bill Dubuque <wgd@[EMA  2008-05-15 14:49:32 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
lwalke3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-15 13:58:05 
Re: Checking simplified algebraic expressions (the -3 test)
Pubkeybreaker <pubkeyb  2008-05-16 05:23:22 

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