buckeye <buckeyeelo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>:|buckeye <buckeyeelo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>:|
>:|>:|Rhymecon has noted the condemnation of the RRR by McCain. Access
>:|>:|http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shaun-jacob-halper/mccains-reverends-right-h_b_100007.html
>:|>:| to see how he is linked with them in 2008. For those who are for
>:|>:|Separation of Church and State he is not good.
>:|>:|
>:|>:|David Fisher
>:|>:|
>:|>:| Shaun Jacob Halper (Includes U tube video)
>:|>:|McCain's Reverends Right: His Faustian Bargain with Radical
Christianity
>:|>:|http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shaun-jacob-halper/mccains-reverends-right-h_b_100007.html
>:|>:|
>:|>:|[excerpt]
>:|>:|
>:|>:|"So I can understand, I can understand why people are upset about
this. I
>:|>:|can understand why Americans when viewing these kind of comments,
are angry
>:|>:|and upset." -John McCain on the interminable Jeremiah Wright
controversy
>:|>:|(April 27, 2008)
>:|>:|
>:|>:|John McCain, the great empathizer, is running low on empathy. Quick
to
>:|>:|condemn the remarks of Obama's former pastor on behalf of American
umbrage,
>:|>:|McCain is reticent about his own knee-deep quagmire of offensive
>:|>:|associational guilt. While Obama has bitterly terminated his
unpopular
>:|>:|alliance, John McCain continues to cling indefatigably to his.
>:|>:|
>:|>:|All is quiet on the radical Christian front.
>:|>:|
>:|>:|McCain has made a deal with the devil-- actually, three devils.
Desperate
>:|>:|to unify what is left of his ideological shamble of a Republican
Party,
>:|>:|McCain has allied with three of its most bigoted and hateful
"spiritual"
>:|>:|personalities: John Hagee, Rod Parsley, and (before his death) Jerry
>:|>:|Falwell.
>:|>:|
>:|>:|Though Americans take sincere offense at the vile statements of his
>:|>:|powerful radical Christian allies, John McCain refuses to renounce
them or
>:|>:|disassociate himself from these hateful hucksters of hypocrisy.
>:|>:|
>:|>:|Many, includingFrank Rich today, have already noted that the
mainstream
>:|>:|media has effectively ignored this most unholy of political
alliances. As a
>:|>:|result, it is quite likely that many Americans have yet to hear any
of
>:|>:|these incendiary statements. The following is a 10 minute synthesis
of the
>:|>:|greatest scatological hits of McCain's fundamentalist friends (see
YouTube
>:|>:|for myriad full-length footage):
>:|>:|[end excerpt ]
>:|>:|
>:|
>:|From: RhymeCon <bob4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>:|Newsgroups:
>:|alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism
>:|Subject: Re: Egregious errors in civic textbook
>:|Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 05:39:43 -0700 (PDT)
>:|Organization: http://groups.google.com
>:|
>:|RhymeCon wrote:
>:|
>:|
>:|This may be unethical but I'm posting here a reply to Buckeye's thread
>:|("Rhymecon/ McCain") of about May 5 which is addressed specifically to
>:|me but I can't use that thread because I've apparently used up my
>:|quota of 5 groups.
>:|
>:|Well, I for one am opposed to the Separation of Church and State
>:|because it's misleading, confusing, and often interpreted as saying
>:|the exact opposite of what the First Amendment says. The First
>:|Amendment (which, unlike the Sep. of C. & S. is in the U.S.
>:|Constitution) prohibits government from influencing religion but
>:|extends freedom of speech and the press to religion as well as every
>:|other group you can think of. Many people, including the late Assoc.
>:|Justice Hugo Black are of the opinion that churches must not discuss
>:|government. In his infamous Everson opinion of 1947 Hugo said <http://
>:|www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/everson.html> that
>:|"Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly,
>:|participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups
>:|and vice versa". Well, that oddly chosen term "vice versa" means that
>:|Churches can't participate in the affairs of government which is the
>:|duty of all Americans, and can't even say "Don't forget to vote
>:|Tuesday" or in a past era "Outlaw slavery" or "Don't send American
>:|citizens to prison for years just because their parents were Japanese"
>:|or in the present era "Outlaw abortion".
>:|
>:|That last example, BTW, illustrates the stupidity of the Christian
>:|Right for their past efforts in convincing the nation that abortion is
>:|a religious issue in the first place. I don't know that anyone has
>:|even found it in the Bible, and some of the most outspoken anti-
>:|abortionists have been atheists! And people of every state were
>:|opposed to Roe v. Wade until the fundamentalists asserted over and
>:|over again that it's impossible to be anti-abortion unless you're a
>:|born-again Christian, and everyone naturally assumed that those
>:|fundies care more about proselyting than they do about fighting
>:|abortion.
>:|
>:|And interestingly the founding manifest of the Americans United for
>:|Separation of Church and State set one of its primary goals to
>:|OVERTURN that 1947 Everson decision sup****ted by Justice Hugo Black!
>:|
>:|Regards, RhymeCon
>:|http://rhymecon.tripod.com/2/
>:|
buckeyeelo posted"
Thu Nov 8, 2007 1:38 pm
RHYMECON'S VICE VERSA PLOY
Message #10703 of 12471
Re: RHYMECON'S VICE VERSA PLOY
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"rhymecon" <bob4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> You can dish it out but you can't take it, huh! Since I'm to be
> booted from this site, specifically what lie was told? That Black's
> Everson opinion didn't contain that vice versa but I lied and said
> it did? Or that ye did say it but he was lying?
>
You will be booted from this group because you are a troll and
propagandist.
You have on a regular basis, since you have been here, attacked
Americans United, and attacked the Everson ruling, i.e peddled your
bull **** radical religious right propaganda.
When do***entation has been provided showing your propaganda is full
of holes meaning it is incorrect you have ignored that, waited
awhile, came back peddling the same propaganda again as if nothing had
happened previously.
You were challenged time and time again to back up your claims which
you never did. Instead You would resort to silly games which are all
too familiar to anyone who has ever engaged those of your ilk here or
in any other online discussions forum.
This particular thread RHYMECON'S VICE VERSA PLOY laid out hoi you
played that game with regards to vice versa. You mentioned it a
couples time at least over a period of time. At least two, possibly
three people took that claim of yours on. You let some time pass, and
make the same claims again.
That is what trolls do, that is what propagandists do
For you the problem was you came along too late. I have dealt with
clones of you everyday in UseNet Newsgroups since Feb 1995. It is
easy to recognize you and your kind. After awhile I got tired of
yout kind. I don't spend a whole lot of time on them there anymore
I won't tolerate them here.
You add nothing to this group, your contribute nothing of any value to
this group since you only recycle the usual unsubstantiated radical
religious right propaganda.
Oh occasionally you add a wrinkle that seems to be our own personal
invention like the vice versa and the "other" Jefferson letter but
they are so far out and silly that they are laughable.
You, of course can't back them up with any real historical or legal
do***entation, because there is none to back them up with. You just
invented them.
You rarely participate here so there will be no loss with you gone.
Now I will be a really nice guy here and I will invite you to join in
the church state discussion that regularly take place in the following
UseNet Newsgroups that I read and post to
Alt.politics.usa.constitution & Alt.education
You can do that in one of two ways. if you have a mail/news reader
program such as agent for example, you can participate directly
if you don't have that you can participate indirectly though google
groups http://groups.google.com/
once there you can do a search for
alt.politics.usa.constitution
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.constitution/topics
the other group I read and reply to sometimes is
alt.education
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.education/topics
I post under the nick
buckeye-elo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
will warn you in advance, UseNet Newsgroups can be wild, rough,
tumble, no holds barred with manners rarely exhibited.
There are a lot of people just like you there posting just like you,
playing the same games just like you.
There are also people just the opposite routinely spanking people just
like.
You will find me there if you want to continue this.
I won't hold my breath to see if you dhow up. I don't expect you
will. I have already told you about UseNet on at least one or two
other occasions suggesting you would have far more fun there then you
could ever have here, since fun seems to be one of the things you seek
in doing this.
> And you've said yourself that his Everson opinion gained im****tance
> by being the majority rather than the dissenting, opinion.
The above doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. But then, your
entire understanding and knowledge of Everson is seriously flawed
> And how
> did the majority rule? That it was NOT unconstitutional to spend
> public funds to furthur religion, in this case to pay the cost of
> trans****ting parochial school students (as well as other students)
> to school.
I rest my case, you just displayed your ignorance of Everson again.
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