>:|From: RhymeCon <bob4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>:|Newsgroups:
>:|alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism
>:|Subject: Re: Egregious errors in civic textbook
>:|Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 05:39:43 -0700 (PDT)
>:|Organization: http://groups.google.com
>:|
>:|RhymeCon wrote:
>:|
>:|
>:|This may be unethical but I'm posting here a reply to Buckeye's thread
>:|("Rhymecon/ McCain") of about May 5 which is addressed specifically to
>:|me but I can't use that thread because I've apparently used up my
>:|quota of 5 groups.
>:|
>:|Well, I for one am opposed to the Separation of Church and State
>:|because it's misleading, confusing, and often interpreted as saying
>:|the exact opposite of what the First Amendment says. The First
>:|Amendment (which, unlike the Sep. of C. & S. is in the U.S.
>:|Constitution) prohibits government from influencing religion but
>:|extends freedom of speech and the press to religion as well as every
>:|other group you can think of. Many people, including the late Assoc.
>:|Justice Hugo Black are of the opinion that churches must not discuss
>:|government. In his infamous Everson opinion of 1947 Hugo said <http://
>:|www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/everson.html> that
>:|"Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly,
>:|participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups
>:|and vice versa". Well, that oddly chosen term "vice versa" means that
>:|Churches can't participate in the affairs of government which is the
>:|duty of all Americans, and can't even say "Don't forget to vote
>:|Tuesday" or in a past era "Outlaw slavery" or "Don't send American
>:|citizens to prison for years just because their parents were Japanese"
>:|or in the present era "Outlaw abortion".
>:|
>:|That last example, BTW, illustrates the stupidity of the Christian
>:|Right for their past efforts in convincing the nation that abortion is
>:|a religious issue in the first place. I don't know that anyone has
>:|even found it in the Bible, and some of the most outspoken anti-
>:|abortionists have been atheists! And people of every state were
>:|opposed to Roe v. Wade until the fundamentalists asserted over and
>:|over again that it's impossible to be anti-abortion unless you're a
>:|born-again Christian, and everyone naturally assumed that those
>:|fundies care more about proselyting than they do about fighting
>:|abortion.
>:|
>:|And interestingly the founding manifest of the Americans United for
>:|Separation of Church and State set one of its primary goals to
>:|OVERTURN that 1947 Everson decision sup****ted by Justice Hugo Black!
>:|
>:|Regards, RhymeCon
>:|http://rhymecon.tripod.com/2/
>:|
RHYMECON'S VICE VERSA PLOY
PART I
One way to recognize a THEOCRAT (Radical Religious Rigth type)
propagandist is by observing their posts. In particular pick out the
typical observance of this "rule" Create a lie, state it over and
over again, ignore any and all rebuttals of that lie, contiune to
repeat that lie, saying it often. Sooner or later someone will belive it.
What follows is Rhymecon's application of the above "rule."
Note from the first date to the latest how long he has been peddling
this lie here
Also included in the following are the rebuttals to his lie
PART #1
Message #7465 of 10639
Sun Dec 10, 2006
Re: Sup****t sound sci.ed; was: Stamp out Separation of C. & S. to
protect the 1st am
Humancarol asked Rhymecon
> PS: What does this mean:
> "Separation of Church & State = Freedom of Speech Except for
>Churches"
It comes from my perceived meaning of "Separation of Church and
State" being that if we keep the wall high and unbreachable - that's
not the word Justice Hugo Black used but I'm sleepy and my mind's a
blank - then Government must have no influence on religion, and vice
versa. But the First Amendment doesn't have the vice versa; for
instance it would be bizarre to say the same law that prevents the
government from interfering with religion interferes with religion's
freedom of speech.
I'll try to catch up on the other posts I haven't answered yet but
it's my bedtime. Goodnight and don't let an argument get you riled
up. What fun is a tug-of-war if there's nobody at the other end?
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