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Re: The Religious Rights' Unreal Understanding of Homo***uality:

by buckeye <buckeyeelo@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 08:04 AM

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>:|<js>
>:|Perhaps. But by the same token, your view that gayness happens by
design in 
>:|a world where the prime purpose of *** is childbearing, and it takes 
>:|opposite ***es to bear children. In the natural world, ***uality is
such 
>:|that offspring are the intended result. *** for pleasure is not
uniquely 
>:|human, but humans seem to demonstrate *** for pleasure to a much
greater 
>:|degree than any other species.

False as usual:

http://www.nerve.com/Dispatches/Small/bonobo/


Prime Mates: The Useful Promiscuity of Bonobo Apes by Meredith F. Small


Maiko and Lana are having ***. Maiko is on top, and Lana's arms and legs
are wrapped tightly around his waist. Lina, a friend of Lana's, approaches
from the right and taps Maiko on the back, ****ging him to finish. As he
moves away, the two females embrace, press their genitals together and
move
their pelvic areas rapidly left and right. Both females grin and call out
in pleasure.

     Although this scene was recorded on video, you won't find it in the
back of your local video store. Lana, Maiko and Lina are bonobos, a lesser
known species of chimpanzee first studied in the 1970s in the remote
tropical forests of the Republic of Congo, Central Africa. Their
heightened
***uality has received public attention since the publication this summer
of primatologist Frans de Waal's book Bonobos: The Forgotten Ape
(University of California Press, 1997), which has been featured
on dozens of television and magazine segments in recent months,
culminating
in de Waal's appearance on Good Morning America in late July. Bonobos, as
de Waal describes them, lead peaceful, egalitarian and ***-filled lives
quite unlike their cousins, common chimpanzees, who are known for
violence,
male domination and ***ual efficiency. While much has been made lately of
the promise the peaceable bonobos hold for human passivism, less has been
said about what the ***ually promiscuous bonobos might teach us about the
human inclinations towards ***ual experimentation and infidelity.

     Why should we Homo sapiens take so personally the behavior of these
apes? Because we share about 98% of our genetic make-up with both
varieties
of chimp. Chimpanzees, in fact, are more closely related to humans than
they are to gorillas. Eight million years ago humans, gorillas and chimps
shared a common ancestor. In the next million years, the gorilla line
split
from the common human-chimp ancestor; two million years after that, humans
and chimpanzees split into distinct species. Much later, about 1.5 million
years ago, bonobos and common chimpanzees separated into two species.

     Bonobos (originally called pygmy chimpanzees) are latecomers to the
ape registry because they live in the most remote rain forests of Africa,
penned in by rivers they cannot cross (the Zaire River in the north and
east and numerous smaller rivers in the south and west). They were first
identified, on the basis of skeletal material, in the late 1920s, but it
took another fifty years for a scientist -- Japanese primatologist
Takayoski Kano -- to observe them in the wild.

     At first glance, bonobos look much like common chimps: they have the
characteristic long arms, short legs and muscular, compact bodies covered
with black fur. But on second glance,
subtle differences mark bonobos as distinct. Bonobos weigh about the same
as the other chimps but they are built lighter, with smaller heads and
more
slender arms and legs. Bonobos have dark,
pigmented, flat faces with bright red lips and a distinct hairdo, as if
each morning they pulled out a comb and parted the hair on their heads
down
the middle, nattily dressed for a day in the forest.

     Bonobos behave in many ways like common chimpanzees. They live in
what
primatologists call "fission-fusion" groups: large communities that stick
together for hours or days, disperse for a time, and then re-group later.
Also, females in both species leave their home area when they reach ***ual
maturity, and males remain. As a result of this dispersal pattern, adult
male chimpanzees in a group tend to be genetically related, even brothers,
while adult females are virtual strangers until they form social bonds and
become friends. Infants are highly dependent and stay with their mothers
for years, and to accommodate this dependency, mothers give birth only
every fours years or so and nurse their infants for at least that long.

     But beyond these similarities, common chimpanzees and bonobos are as
different as the most dissimilar human cultures. While chimp society is
noted for aggression among males and by males toward females -- aggression
that sometimes culminates in ***ual assault and infanticide -- bonobos are
comparatively peaceful and egalitarian. In fact, in many bonobo
communities, females appear to play a dominant role.

     Even more striking is bonobo ***ual behavior. As Frans de Waal
describes them, bonobos, not humans, are surely the most ***ual primates
on
earth. Like humans, they have *** outside the proscribed period of
fertility for females, but unlike most humans, they are constantly having
*** of every variety
with partners of all ages. In addition to the usual hetero***ual matings,
bonobos also have same-*** fun. Males grab each other's *****es and mouth
each
other's genitals. Females regularly have *** with each other, and
sometimes
appear to prefer their female companions. Juvenile male bonobos suck on
each other *****es and allow adult males to fondle them, and these
youngsters also participate whenever adults have *** by poking fingers and
toes into moving parts or jumping on board. Bonobos engage in all of this
***-play with unabashed enjoyment, grinning widely in their copulatory
sways.      The behavior of females is so unusual that behaviorists have
given it a special name: the "genital-genital rub" or "G-G rub." Two
females place their pelvises together, either face-to-face or
rear-to-rear,
and rub each other rapidly with yelps of delight. Sometimes, this movement
is so coordinated that the female on top lifts the other female off the
ground as they rhythmically slap their genitals together. Females seem to
like the full frontal position best, probably because the ****oris is
swollen along with their labia into a pink balloon-like protrusion; a
face-to-face position enables maximal ****oral rubbing.

     In many ways, bonobo *** bears a remarkable resemblance to human ***.
When males and females copulate, they sometimes do so in the typical
mammalian back-to-front position with the male entering the female from
behind, but they also enjoy the face-to-face position. In fact, females
frequently invite males to copulate by lying on their backs. This
position,
in which the animals can easily gaze into each other's eyes, denotes to
some an emotional intimacy seen hitherto only in humans. Although each
copulatory bout is rather brief compared to human ***ual play, bonobos
make
up in frequency what they lose in duration.

     Bonobos also manually stimulate themselves and each other, both for
pleasure and as a preamble to social interaction. A female might fondle
the
genitals of an infant, or touch the genitals of the mother if she wants a
closer look at an infant. Males frequently take the erect ***** of a
younger male and make "caressing" up and down movements. (So far no one
has
observed this kind of genital manipulation leading to ejaculation.)

     This is what makes bonobo ***uality so intriguing for animal
behaviorists: they use *** not just for reproduction, as we expect
nonhuman
animals to do, but for a variety of non***ual purposes. They bestow
"***ual
favors" (as we humans say) for appeasement, to gain food, to show
affection
and connection or to reduce stress. In captivity, when food is delivered
by
the keepers, the excitement usually triggers a round of ***ual behavior
that calms the group down. *** functions as a social balm.

     This contrasts sharply with how other primates connect socially.
Monkeys use grooming and sitting close to reinforce their social
connections, and common chimpanzees have a variety of inter-personal
gestures and behaviors that establish and repair relation****ps. For
example, after a fight a monkey might smack its lips in submission and
groom the victor, a common chimpanzee might hold out a placating hand for
reassurance, but a bonobo would probably roll over and spread its legs.

     For females, *** is also the pass****t which allows transfer into new
groups. In the wild, a female bonobo will enter a new group rather
tentatively, then seek out the highest-ranking females and approach them
one by one to initiate a genital-genital rub; with this physical
interaction, she signals her friendliness, and the residents' responses
signal her acceptance into the group.

     In addition to providing hope that our species may have more
peaceable
roots than previously supposed, bonobos call into question assumptions
about the evolution of human
***ual behavior. Researchers have previously thought early bipeds lived in
male dominated groups where aggression and violence were the rule, and
where female ***uality was useful primarily as a tool
to manipulate males. In the traditional scenario, the genital swellings
that signaled fertility in pre-human females were lost over evolutionary
time because it enabled them to look less ***ual and make peace among the
males. At the same time, this theory presumed, ancestral females became
continuously ***ually receptive, willing to mate during nonfertile
periods,
in an effort to keep one male close to home.

     But bonobos suggest another possibility. Bonobo males and females
live
peaceful, egalitarian lives, and they use *** as an integral part of their
calmer social order. Perhaps our common ancestor was more like bonobos in
this regard than common chimps. Perhaps ancestral human females "lost"
their swellings and became continuously willing to have *** not to
manipulate males into monogamy, but to facilitate a more promiscuous
lifestyle. Bonobos suggest that our idealization of private, monogamous
***ual behavior might be a relatively recent deviation from our
evolutionary heritage. Indeed, our ancient ancestors, like bonobos, may
have used hetero***ual and homo***ual *** on a daily basis to make
alliances, trade goods and favors, establish friend****ps and keep the
peace. If so, the breadth of human ***ual behavior today needs no special
explanation.


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The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

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respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning.  Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic."  New York Trust Co. v.
Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992) 
.. . . 
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