Peter Franks <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>:|Yes, I have an issue with the generalization made in the subject and
>:|content of this posting. I think I've now made my point.
You haven't made any point at all.
In this country it is the RR who are most up in arms with regards to Gays,
lesbians, etc.
The subject and the content if this thread points that out.
There are a couple topics that I or another can post on in these threads
here and you can almost bet it will bring the RRR simpletons, nutcases
and
trolls out in force.
At least 3 of them are:
Abortion
Vouchers
Homo***uality
I posted on two of them (vouchers, homo***uality) in the past couple
weeks and they were threads that had a great deal of activity.
You leanr these things when you have been around here awhile
Now, moving along:
To go along with that
try this on for size.
Oh, I forget, you don't do any homework
Well, maybe someone will find it interesting.
Six views on homo***uality and bi***uality
Brief descriptions of the six belief systems
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom6beli1.htm
Religious terms / Homo***uality
Menu
Two definitions & six interpretations
about homo***uality and bi***uality
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom6beli.htm#menu
A conversation:
Question: To a lesbian from a woman grieving over the death of her
husband: "Do your people feel sad when your partner dies?"
Answer: "You see me as a little less human, and for me to realize
it, breaks my heart."
Two definitions of "homo***uality:"
Religious conservatives, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or of
another religion, often define homo***uality in terms of behavior.
Homo***uality and hetero***uality is what a person does. A homo***ual is a
person who engages in some same-gender ***ual behavior; a hetero***ual is
one who engages only in opposite-gender ***ual behavior. They generally
refer to a person who has *** with both males and females as a homo***ual;
bi***uality is rarely acknowledged. A person who is ***ually inactive, is
considered a hetero***ual. Behaviors can be changed by an act of will:
Persons who are ***ually attracted to both men and women can choose
to confine their activity to opposite-*** relation****ps. They are often
described as "having left the homo***ual lifestyle" or as being "ex-gays."
Persons who are ***ually attracted to members of the opposite ***
can decide to remain celibate. They are also described as "having left the
homo***ual lifestyle" and as being "ex-gays."
By changing one's behavior, they can switch from being homo***ual
to being hetero***ual. The success rate of reparative therapy is high.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_repar.htm
Most religious liberals, gays, lesbians, bi***uals, human ***uality
researchers, therapists, etc. define homo***uality in terms of feelings
and
self-identification.
A homo***ual is a person who is ***ually attracted only to members
of the same ***.
A bi***ual is attracted to both women and men, although not
necessarily to the same degree.
A hetero***ual is a person who is attracted only to persons of the
opposite ***.
Bi***uals can choose to confine their activity to one *** or the
other; however they still remain bi***ual.
Homo***uals can choose to remain celibate; however they still
remain homo***ual.
Adult ***ual orientation is generally regarded as fixed; it cannot
be changed through therapy or prayer. The success rate of reparative
therapy is extremely low, close to zero.
The two most vocal understandings of homo***uality:
Throughout most of the essays in the homo***ual and bi***ual section of
this web site, we have stressed two extreme positions:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/homo***u.htm
The religiously conservative stance generally considers
homo***uality to be an abomination -- a serious, immoral, changeable,
abnormal, and unnatural addiction that is hated by God and is destructive
to the individuals who choose to follow the lifestyle. It is generally
chosen after puberty.
The other, more liberal position, views homo***uality to be one of
three unchosen, fixed, and morally neutral ***ual orientations which is
normal and natural for a minority of adults. Children who will grow up to
be gay can generally be detected before the age of five..
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm#cause
Although these viewpoints are certainly the most vocal in the media, there
are other voices that hold intermediate positions. This section will
describe, contrast and compare six discrete perspectives. They can be
called
Abomination,
Change is expected,
Celibacy is expected,
Marginally acceptable,
Equality and
Liberation.
Topics covered in this section are:
Expanding two viewpoints on homo***uality to six
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom7beli.htm
A brief description of each of six viewpoints, from the most
conservative to the most liberal.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom6beli1.htm
A comparison of six viewpoints on the following topics:
Information sources / God's pattern for *** / When is *** morally
permissible?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom6beli2.htm
The biblical message / Homo***ual orientation exists? / Incidence
of homo***uality
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom6beli3.htm
Conversion rates / Emotional, psychological and spiritual aspects
of homo***uality
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom6beli4.htm
God's expectations for homo***uals, faith groups and society as a
whole
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom6beli5.htm
Can we differentiate morally between homo***ual orientation and
homo***ual behavior / Groups sup****ting the various viewpoints
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom6beli6.htm
Personal note:
Writing this series of essays has been a major learning experience for me.
Active involvement in a religious forum on homo***uality has also been
educational. I sensed the profound gulf that exists among individuals and
groups who hold these different, contrasting belief systems. Many
tenaciously hold beliefs that are contrary to observable facts. It would
seem that beliefs about homo***uality are formed early in life and are
rarely changeable.
Dialogue appears to be rare and getting more so. People often have little
contact with others who hold different opinions. My impression is that
real
progress could be made if the various sides looked upon each other as
individuals and not as an enemy force pu****ng an agenda. But I don't have
the foggiest idea how this can be encouraged.
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v.
Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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"You pilot always into an unknown future;
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That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
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