Re: study of red****rting (late entrance to kndergarten)

Pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>On Jul 25, 10:05 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Pubkeybreaker <pubkeybrea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >On Jul 24, 4:27 pm, Barbara <mom_2_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> > A substantial fraction of kids who are in special ed are those
whose
>> >> > IQs are low enough that they are not well served in the
traditional
>> >> > classroom.
>>
>> >> A *substantial fraction*?  That's not what you said, of course.  You
>> >> complained that a lot of money is spent on *special education,* but
>> >> that society does not acknowledge those *at the other end of the
>> >> spectrum*  Its this assumption that special needs children are at
that
>> >> *other end of the spectrum* that is so offensive.
>>
>> >Did someone gore your ox?  It is clear that special ed children are
>> >learning
>> >handicapped.  If they weren't then they would not be special ed
>> >children.  They learn more slowly and require more instruction than
>> >high
>> >IQ children.
>>
>> >This is a simple statement of fact. The *reason* why a child might be
>> >SPED
>> >is irrelevant.   Why this recognition of fact should be offensive to
>> >anyone is a puzzle
>> >to me. SPED children  *are* at the other end of the spectrum from high
>> >IQ children
>>
>> No they aren't. The whole point is that "high IQ" does NOT necessarily
>> mean "rapid learning",
>
>Of course it does.  Show me someone with a high IQ who is NOT a
>rapid learner.

You've been presented examples: certain categories of special ed kids.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/sep03/disabled.html
backs up my statement that many kids are diagnosed as special ed
BECAUSE their academic performance does not match their IQ (falling
short by at least one standard deviation).


Here is one example:
http://childparenting.about.com/od/intellectualdevelopment/a/qaiqtest.htm

The kid has a 134 IQ in his verbal abilities, but his performance
score is only average and in one subtest (object assembly) he is
extremely below average.

http://www.schwablearning.org/articles.aspx?r=967
has more on such cases, which are called non-verbal learning
disabilities

Another example:
A friend of mine a few years back was severely dyslexic.  His IQ was
quite high, genius level if I recall correctly, but he simply could
not take in information in print very well (and couldn't even
necessarily read even his own lecture notes).  Unfortunately, he grew
up before dyslexia was widely recognized, and barely made it through
high school.  But once his disability was diagnosed and he got help,
he made it through college, I think with an econ major.

lojbab
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