Re: Wikipedia Promoting Global Warming Hysteria?

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:03:14 -0700 (PDT), malcolmkirkpatrick@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Jul 27, 11:50 pm, abelard <abela...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>malcolmkirkpatrick.com wrote:
>> >abelard wrote:
>> >> Cary Kittrell wrote:
>
>(Cary): "Oh, I dunno...this looks pretty trendy for me, over the last
>decade.
>And further:
>http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2007/ann/global-jan-dec...
>Or, you could look at it this way:
>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3045976.ece
>(abelard): "please don't confuse people with facts....using facts on
>moonbats is taking unfair advantage
>
>> >Snark isn't an argument. There are some problems with the chart. "Mean
>> >global temperature" has never been measured by a valid test.
>
>>there is no such thing as one 'valid test' for 'mean global
>> temperature'
>>
>If you mean that there is currently no valid instrument, we agree.

you are confusing 'valid' with 'agreed'....
and nothing is ever going to satisfy moonbats or the filthy
    fossil fuel industry...

>"Mean" describes some measurement(s). If there's a purpose, like to
>answer the question if the world is getting warmer, then lots of
>instruments provide useful measurements. The problems originate in
>several issues: 1) inadequate sampling, 2) inconsistent comparisons
>(add new stations) 3) changed conditions around instruments
>(urbanization).

and thus it is sought to apply corrections...
thus do people seek standards processes....
thus are surrogates used and suggested....

> Taking the entire Earth's temperature from a remote
>location in space would provide a valid measure, 

how do you hope to get a single useful measure for that...
do you intend to take both sides of the planet at once...
do you hope to get a useful figure for 1891 and may 1956
do you hope to get land temperatures after deforestation or
      heavy snow...
do you hope to *****s the oceanic heat sing capacity...

>but it hasn't yet
>been done and there is no baseline.

again, 'a baseline' is a matter of agreement

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