"RichAsianKid" <richasiankid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 2007 SAT Scores: http://i9.tinypic.com/6xrro5u.jpg
>
> For now I just want to point out that Asians actually have a lower
> mean of 514 compared to whites of 527 in the critical reading part.
> HOWEVER, if
> you look at the score of 700 for critical reading, that only gets you
> 92th percentile for Asians, but 94%ile for whites. At 750, the level
> for admission for many higher ranked universities, that gets you 96
> percentile for Asians but 98%ile for whites. The corresponding figures
> for other ethnic groups are in fact almost all 99% for both 700 and
> 750 (save a couple of them). That suggests to me that there is not a
> dearth of Asians with high verbal skills; however you would not have
> gleaned this if you just look at the mean alone. Perhaps the median is
> a better way to go. The reason for a lower mean is that there a very
> wide lower end tail for Asians in
> the critical reading section. My guess is that (1) these are FOBs or
> foreign students and also (2) most of these are quite simply not
> higher IQ north east Asians, but rather SE Asians like Hmong,
> Cambodians and Pacific Islanders - groups that psychometrics suggests
> have lesser/lower
> cognitive abilities. In fact, the SAT data reveals that standard
> deviation for Asians is
> higher than whites, suggesting underlying
> heterogeneity.
>
> You can do the same calculations for the above in math, and for the
> 700 level, the figures are 99 for blacks, 81 for Asians, 99 for
> Mexicans, 94 for whites, suggesting an even greater differential
> between the groups.
>
> Like I said before, different groups achieve differently, with this
> table demonstrating that at the higher end, Asians are likely over-
> represented on a per capita basis. Blacks are clearly way
> underpresented - one study actually shows that in 2005 at the 700
> level for math only 0.7 percent of all black test takers scored at the
> 700 level, while only 0.16 percent of blacks scored higher than the
> 750 level. That's again the 2005 version. AFAIK there are no major
> changes in 2005 to 2007 in the other sections except the addition of
> the writing sample. The corresponding figures for Asians in percentile
> form is not available (though I've not done a thorough search) though
> the means certainly are, but the 2007 sample indicates the
> corresponding figures are 19% and 9%.
>
> That is, roughly how many percent of Asians and blacks score over 700
> and 750 out of 800 in math?
>
> Black -- 0.7% over 700, 0.16 percent over 750. (2005 data)
> Asian -- 19% over 700, 9% over 750. (2007 data)
>
> In other words, if 1000 black students and 1000 Asian students take
> the SAT math, only 7 blacks but 190 Asians will score at the 700 level
> or higher. That's a 27 times difference.
>
> Now, moving up - if 1000 black students and 1000 Asian students take
> the SAT math, only 1.6 blacks but 90 Asians will score at 750 level or
> higher. That's 56 times (!!) difference.
>
> Now you might think, that's amazing. Not yet. Look at the above
> figure - how many blacks are taking the SAT and how many Asians are
> taking the SAT? Blacks - roughly 160k, while Asians roughly 140k. Why
> is that im****tant? Asians are only ~4.2% of the US population, while
> blacks are roughly 12.3% of the population. If blacks take the SAT at
> the same pro****tion as Asians, you would have expected blacks to churn
> out 410k students taking the SAT. But no, only 160k
> are taking. Thus even amongst all test-takers they're grossly
> underrepresented -- by a factor of ~2.6.
>
> Taking basal demographic rate into account we have this: Asians are 70
> times more likely to produce students who score higher than 700 on the
> SAT math, compared to blacks, and are 145.6 times more likely to
> produce students who score higher than 750 on the SAT math -- and a
> built-in
> factor of 2.6 is accounted for by blacks simply for whatever reason do
> not just take the SAT.
>
> Also check out http://richasiankid.blogspot.com/
for some more stats.
> Some of the numbers do appear brutal, and many consider it too
> politically incorrect to talk about.
>
> No wonder black education is in such crisis!! See, for instance,
>
> http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
>
> An incredible quote: "Blacks from families with incomes of more than
> $100,000 had a
> mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from
> all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from
> families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average
> score of white students from families whose income was less than
> $10,000."
>
> I think the above will haunt the US for a long time to come. As the
> above link indicates, the gap for whites and blacks on the SAT has
> actually increased. For a while it has been thought that a credible
> ticket out of the ghetto is a good education. The results indicate
> that without strong affirmative action in place racial disparities
> will continue, and that this cannot be blamed on poverty or economics
> alone (see above).
You missed out an explanation of cultural differences, in fact, an
account that doesn't even mention cultural differences is incomplete.
Please revise and resubmit.
Phil H
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