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Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence

by Paul Rubin <rubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 31, 2008 at 04:03 PM

jenmoocat wrote:

> 
> They say that in testing, there is an implied cost function overlaid
> on the test --- where each of those quadrants has a cost value of 1 --
> we want to evaluate them all at the same level.  But, what if,
> minimizing Type II error is more im****tant than minimzing Type I
> error.  Then how should the test be constructed?
> 

I don't think what they are saying is accurate, but I think I understand 
the motivation.  Consider an example from statistical quality control, 
in which you are inspecting a batch of a product to decide if it is good 
enough to ****p.  If not, you will scrap it.  The null hypothesis, 
broadly speaking, is "good to go", so a Type I error is that you scrap a 
batch that actually met quality standards.  That incurs some very real 
costs -- loss of the capital invested in materials and labor, cost of 
disposal, cost of ****pping delays or expediting a new batch, ...  On the 
other hand, a Type II error is that you ****p a bad batch, which has its 
own set of costs (contract penalties, customer returns, lost good 
will/lost business, lawsuits, ...).  Those costs are usually asymmetric. 
If you manufacture heart medication, say, where dosage errors can be 
lethal, you probably err on the side of minimizing Type II errors.  If 
you are Microsoft, and quality is measured by bugs, you err on the side 
of Type I error and let the customer download patches later on.

I don't think you control for this asymmetry by monkeying with the test; 
I think you deal with it by setting the significance level.  I may be 
wrong (in which case we'll find out quickly :-)), but I think that in 
most hypothesis tests the Type II probability is basically one minus the 
Type I probability, at least in a worst case bound sense (meaning if the 
null is false but the true parameter is close to the set described by 
the null).  If you can establish a prior probability for the null being 
true -- which assumes that the null is a statement about a random event, 
not a statement about a deterministic parameter -- then I think you can 
take a Bayesian approach and set the significance level so as to 
minimize the expected error cost.

/Paul
 




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help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
jenmoocat <sollje2002@  2008-03-29 18:54:38 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
"Phil Holman" &  2008-03-29 22:13:14 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
jenmoocat <sollje2002@  2008-03-30 00:22:05 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
Paul Rubin <rubin@[EMA  2008-03-30 15:24:42 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
Richard Ulrich <Rich.U  2008-03-30 21:52:23 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
jenmoocat <sollje2002@  2008-03-30 10:05:36 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
Paul Rubin <rubin@[EMA  2008-03-30 17:11:04 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
Richard Ulrich <Rich.U  2008-03-30 21:44:59 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
jenmoocat <sollje2002@  2008-03-31 08:22:00 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
Paul Rubin <rubin@[EMA  2008-03-31 16:03:08 
Re: help with thoughts about the chi square test of independence
mcap <mcam54@[EMAIL PR  2008-03-31 21:00:18 

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