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Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Holds Otherwise

by "Donna Metler" <dmmetler@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 5, 2008 at 05:38 PM

"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:uh7us3da9vf11qlu6daefud0if0drl3sbi@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Herman Rubin) wrote:
>>But groups have distributions of IQ.  From the standpoint
>>of anyone who understands probability, it would be a
>>major surprise if two natural groups had the same distribution.
>
> Individuals are not groups, and there is nothing "natural" about the
> groups in question.
>
>>The evidence is strong that IQ is largely genetic,
>
> The evidence is equally strong that it is not largely genetic, and it
> is also strong that IQ isn't really measuring "intelligence".
>
> lojbab

One experiment that would never happen, but which I'd like to see, would
be 
to randomly reassign babies at birth, without regard to race or SES 
background of the parents.

My guess, based on the adopted children I've had in class, including those

adopted cross-racially, is that most children would be within a very close

range of IQ to their adopted parents, barring disabling conditions.

From what I've seen, whatever is valued by parents will be what is valued
by 
children, and will often be where a young child shows "talent". A parent
who 
loves s****ts, and who is throwing balls at his son before the child's eyes

even focus, probably will, at age 4-5, have a child who loves s****ts and 
considers himself an athlete, and who seems advanced compared to many 
children their age. I've noticed that the parents who check out books for 
themselves at the library are the ones who have children who eagerly pull 
books from the shelf, sit down and start to read, while those who only
check 
out children's books have much more reluctant readers. And the top two 
Suzuki students in our program last semester are the two foster/adopted 
daughters of our string coordinator, both of whom are of a minority race
not 
known for classical music excellence, and both of whom were born drug 
addicted. But by age 4, both girls devoutly WANTED to play violin-and have

succeeded at it far beyond the children who started life with much better 
genetic backgrounds.

Only a subset of things that parents can value and encourage lead to high 
scores on IQ tests; therefore only the children of parents who value those

things will tend to do well on IQ tests. Most middle and upper class 
caucasian parents, and most Asian immigrant families tend to value things 
which lead to high scores on IQ tests, doing well in traditional education

settings, and a long-term, professional lifestyle. And most of these 
families have the financial wherewithal to sup****t what they value.

If you don't value such things yourself, and/or you don't have the
resources 
to demonstrate that you value them (even if you value reading, if you're 
working 2 jobs, it's unlikely that your child will ever get to go to the 
library with you or see you read a book), your children are unlikely to 
value them, and therefore, are unlikely to build those skills. And the
cycle 
continues for another generation.
 




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Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-03-03 07:31:16 
Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-05 14:06:16 
Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-03-05 17:34:40 
Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
"Donna Metler"   2008-03-05 17:38:44 
Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-08 17:10:54 
Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
Richard Eich <richard.  2008-03-07 04:55:58 
Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-03-07 02:12:19 
Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
"Clave" <Cla  2008-03-06 23:27:39 
Re: Scientific Data Show Races Differ in Intelligence - Dogma Ho
hrubin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-08 17:31:36 

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