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Re: Genealogical evidence and data model

by Haines Brown <brownh@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 1, 2008 at 04:24 PM

My head's spinning ;-(

First, Cheryl pointed out that I should have said lineage-linked vs
event-linked, rather than relation-based vs event based. If she was only
insisting that I use conventional terminology, I would understand and
accept the correction. But she may imply that these are not synomyms,
but different concepts. If so, I'm still in the dark, such as the
difference between a lineage link and a relation.

Now Dennis says makes quite clear the difference between lineage-link
and event-link database. Or so I thought until:

> The alternative, used by TMG, is to create relation****p events --
> one event for father relation****p, one for mother relation****p. In TMG,
> every event ("tag") has room for two "principles", all the "other
> people" are added into a witness list in the event.

A "relation****p event" seems to conflate the categories. An "event" (in
the sciences, anyway) refers to a change of state. Yet the child-mother
relation is the _result_ of a birth event, but in itself does not refer
to a change of state. Also, who are the principles in the case of a
person's death? To presume that the death was witnessed seems
unwarranted.

At some earlier point in this thread, there was a suggestion that
event-link relates genealogy to historiography. I don't think that
stands up well as a valid generalization. While there is a particular
branch of history (narrative) that strings events together, that
approach is rather in a shadow these days. Historians often lay emphasis
on relations (such as class relations). There's also a possibility of
representing history in terms of process in which there is no "state",
but instead evenescent structures that constrain causal potencies, which
are primary. All I'm suggesting is that I don't believe one can assume
that historiography is simply or always based on events.

-- 
 
       Haines Brown, KB1GRM
 




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bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-01-14 20:42:20 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-14 21:16:23 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-14 23:38:19 
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bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-01-15 13:29:00 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-17 04:39:17 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-01-15 12:08:13 
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bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-01-15 18:07:49 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-01-15 10:27:26 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-01-15 10:15:48 
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Lars Erik Bryld <larse  2008-01-15 19:39:34 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-17 04:50:24 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-01-17 15:51:06 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-01-17 23:49:06 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-02-03 20:01:28 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-04 05:29:38 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-04 09:13:38 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-04 11:01:01 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-20 22:21:32 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-20 23:26:02 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-04 23:13:33 
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"Tony Proctor"   2008-01-30 17:39:37 
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"Tony Proctor"   2008-01-31 09:56:57 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-03 16:11:36 
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Denis Beauregard <deni  2008-01-15 13:18:28 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-01-31 07:11:12 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-31 16:03:38 
The need for event-based software
Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-02-01 04:15:45 
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-02-09 10:20:13 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-08 11:21:35 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-02-01 10:30:19 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-01-31 20:41:20 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-01 20:14:46 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-02 16:06:50 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-02-02 11:49:26 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-01 16:24:12 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-01 22:05:01 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-02 13:58:29 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-02 18:13:34 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-02-08 16:10:32 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-02 17:53:09 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-02 18:23:12 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-02 19:24:28 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-02 21:32:49 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-02 22:00:02 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-02-03 07:16:34 
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