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Re: Genealogical evidence and data model

by Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 2, 2008 at 10:00 PM

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:32:49 -0500, Haines Brown
<brownh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> declaimed the following in
soc.genealogy.computing:


> Wes, sorry to be so slow about this. When there is a father-child
> relation (in any database), aren't we always identifying specific
> persons? That is, child is Child A because we always uniquely
> distinguished that child from others. Now, Child A has a father, which
> we also always specifally identify as Father A. So if we trace back from
> child to parent, it is always from Child A to Father A. Are we not
> always identifying specific people?
>
	I believe the hypothesis is one grandchild; two people who could be
the father, but no evidence is available to isolate to one of the two.
All we know is that one of the two (Father A1 or Father A2) IS the
father.

	Most genealogy programs have no way to handle this in a way that can
be navigated directly. One has to attach the child to one or the other
father, and can only record the ambiguity using some analyst's text note
of the form "The father is not fully identified at this time, person XXX
might be the real father".

	The better event-based systems would permit adding a secondary
"father" relation****p; in this way, both possible fathers are directly
linked in the database. For re****t purposes, one would have to be
identified as "primary", but no "text note" is needed to explain the
ambiguity on screen.
-- 
	Wulfraed	Dennis Lee Bieber		KD6MOG
	wlfraed@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bestiaria Sup****t Staff:		web-asst@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
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Genealogical evidence and data model
bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-01-14 20:42:20 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-14 21:16:23 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-14 23:38:19 
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bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-01-15 13:29:00 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-17 04:39:17 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-01-15 12:08:13 
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bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-01-15 18:07:49 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-01-15 10:27:26 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-01-15 10:15:48 
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Lars Erik Bryld <larse  2008-01-15 19:39:34 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-17 04:50:24 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-01-17 15:51:06 
Non sequitur: (Re: Genealogical evidence and data model
Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-01-17 23:49:06 
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bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-01-18 14:35:32 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-18 19:43:16 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-01-19 10:56:02 
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"Kerry Raymond"  2008-01-19 09:35:56 
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JD <jd4x4@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-19 09:38:32 
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Robert G. Eldridge <ro  2008-01-20 11:31:15 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-20 13:34:43 
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Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@[  2008-01-20 14:35:26 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-20 17:36:32 
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Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-01-20 17:36:32 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-20 23:02:32 
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user@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-20 08:40:28 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-01-20 11:16:19 
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Charlie Hoffpauir <inv  2008-01-20 10:24:01 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-20 17:45:56 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-01-20 19:04:53 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-01-21 11:14:15 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-22 00:49:47 
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Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@[  2008-02-03 16:32:07 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-02-03 20:01:28 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-04 05:29:38 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-04 09:13:38 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-04 11:01:01 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-20 22:21:32 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-20 22:55:52 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-01-20 23:26:02 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-03 11:23:23 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-04 05:22:26 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-04 07:59:58 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-02-04 11:35:44 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-04 23:13:33 
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"Tony Proctor"   2008-01-30 17:39:37 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-01-30 15:16:17 
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"Tony Proctor"   2008-01-31 09:56:57 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-03 07:51:46 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-03 16:11:36 
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Denis Beauregard <deni  2008-01-15 13:18:28 
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bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-01-15 18:34:21 
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melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-17 05:58:41 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-01-31 07:11:12 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-01-31 16:03:38 
The need for event-based software
Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-02-01 04:15:45 
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Eagle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-01 15:13:29 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-02-03 22:04:41 
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-02-04 04:14:57 
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shane@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-07 21:10:00 
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-02-09 10:20:13 
The need for record-based software
Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-02-08 14:21:52 
Re: The need for record-based software
Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-08 11:21:35 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-02-01 10:30:19 
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mojaveg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-01 09:07:37 
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-01 10:24:42 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-01-31 20:41:20 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-01 20:14:46 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-02-08 12:44:05 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-01 20:57:39 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-02 03:06:26 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-02 16:06:50 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-02-02 11:49:26 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-01 16:24:12 
Re: Genealogical evidence and data model
Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-01 22:05:01 
Re: Genealogical evidence and data model
Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-02 13:58:29 
Re: Genealogical evidence and data model
Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-02 18:13:34 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2008-02-08 16:10:32 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-02 17:53:09 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-02 18:23:12 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2008-02-02 19:24:28 
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Haines Brown <brownh@[  2008-02-02 21:32:49 
Re: Genealogical evidence and data model
Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf  2008-02-02 22:00:02 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2008-02-03 07:16:34 
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Denis Beauregard <deni  2008-02-03 01:50:27 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2008-02-03 12:01:24 

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