Louise,
Thank you for this posting.
I am still working on the connection of the following:
British History Online Victoria County History:A History of the County
of Lancaster: Volume 3
William Farrer & J. Brownbill (editors),1907,Pages,200-208
states "In 1291 a claim by Sir William le Boteler produced some
further information. Gilbert de Halsall and Robert de Lydiate accused
the superior lord and others of having dispossessed them of part of
their free tenement in the town****p, namely, in 35 acres of wood.
Among the defendants was William son of Robert de Vepont and Adam son
of Simon de Lydiate." In 1228 Simon Halsall held the manor of Hallsall
and Gilbert Halsall, in 1256, held Halsall of William le Botiller,
Lord of Warrington.(Notitia Cestriensis: Or Historical Notices of the
Diocese of Chester. Francis Gastrell. P. 172.) In 1294, "The Veponts
occur in another local suit at this time, Cecily relict of Robert le
Vepont proceeding against William le Vepont, Richard le Vepont, and
Juliana relict of Robert le Vepont concerning tenements in Lydiate,
Eggergarth, and Downholland; she was non-suited."
In the Coucher Book or Chartulary of Whalley Abbey, Roger Vipont
witnesses the charter of Richard son of Richard de Thorneton and an
interesting mentio of a Roger de Alston on the charter of Amabelia de
Bredekyrk. Symon de Halsal witnesses the confirmation of charter of
Richard Blundel.
I find that there is sometimes a commonality of the Vipont and Zouche
families and I have often wondered if there had been a Zouche-Vipont
marriage.
How might these Viponts have acquired interest in Downholland?
"After the Conquest, HOLLAND and half of Barton were granted in
thegnage together with Aintree and Ribbleton, while the other half of
Barton was annexed to the Warrington fee, together with Halsall and
Lydiate. In 1212 it was found that Henry de Holland held the thegnage
****tion-three plough-lands and two oxgangs in all-by an annual service
of 26s., an average of 1s. an oxgang. He had granted out Ribbleton,
most of Aintree, and his half of Barton to undertenants, but retained
all or most of Downholland, and from it the family took their surname.
In 1246, a Ralph de Holland had claimed land from Simon lord of
Halsall, on a plea of novel disseisin, but failed, and his pledges-
William son of Adam de Holland and Henry de Holland –were fined..."
Thank you in advance for your thoughts,
Pat
On May 6, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Louise Staley wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 19:06:31 +0100, "Adrian Parry"
> <adrianp7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> The Heralds Visitations (see 1 below) show that Robert HOLLAND, Knt
>> was the son of John HOLLAND (the 1st Baron HOLLAND) and that he
>> married Matilda, daughter and co-heir of Alan Lord Zouch of Asby de
>> la Zouch. The Britannia Biographies web-site shows that Robert was
>> the son of Sir Robert HOLLAND and his wife Elizabeth (née
>> SAMLESBURY) and that he married Maud (as opposed to Matilda).
>>
>> This is my first request to the list for guidance and I would very
>> much appreciate learning which version is correct.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>> (1) The Visitation of the County of Devon in the year 1564, with
>> additions from the earlier Visitation of 1531, edited by Frederick
>> Thomas Colby, D.D
>
> The Robert who married Maud Zouche was the son of Robert Holand of
> Upholland and Elizabeth Samlesbury. Maud/Matilda are used
> interchangeably. See Complete Peerage Volume 6 pp.528-31 for details
> of his life, ancestry and some descendants.
>
> See http://tinyurl.com/4g5fkk
for a transcription of the Complete
> Peerage entry for Sir Robert Holand, 1st Baron Holand.
>
>
>
> Louise
>
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