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A completely bogus Danish line?

by "M.Sjostrom" <qsj5@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 7, 2008 at 06:19 PM

I warn to rely much on any Roskildehistorie trees.
while they often have much historical truth in them, I
have on several occasions came across with some
completely problematic points in lineages in that
material. Even such that a careful person would have
seen that the chronology cannot hold water. I tend to
think that those who have written those trees to
Roskildehistorie, have had often some 'brain farts'
when doing the work there.
(I presume they actually have just copied DAA
materials to fancy graphics...)
Because of such occasional problems, anything in those
tables should not be relied too much, but to check
from more careful and more reliable secondary
material.

The Roskildehistorie author has, imo, made a dog's
dinner reguarly of filiations of persons whose father
married more than once. Do not rely on any maternity
there indicated, if the father had several wives. And
have a sound suspicion towards even those tables where
the father shows to have had only one wife - the good
author may simply have omitted some other wife from
that place...

Then, speaking about DAA series, an obvious source of
that material and obvious source of almost any Danish
noble genealogy:
beware.
There are good genealogies and not so good genealogies
in the DAA series.
I remind that DAA has been getting  published along
over a hundred years now. Plenty of different
genealogists have contributed. The quality CANNOT be
even.

a general observation: in recent decades, DAA old
genealogy articles (= those which are as appendixes)
have been of high quality.
But in earlier decades, there has been found to be
lots of problems.

For example, many unfounded, but traditionally
believed (family legends) genealogies have found their
way to DAA yearbooks of 1800s and first decades of
1900s.
They actually seem to have almost a regular lack of
source critical approach - which disturbs reliability
particularly in their medieval ****tions, I think.
(Obviously, not everything in them is wrong - some
parts of some lineages are so well known that not even
a family lore gullible genealogist of 1800s has been
able to make complete dog's dinner out of them.)
The problem is, you never know what is solid and what
less so, in them.
At least, not if you haven't wide knowledge of related
histories and some sixth sense in digging up the good
parts...

so, my advice is to use Roskildehistorie tables only
as explorative map exercises, then go to check DAA
yearbooks. Of DAA, try to find articles in decades
after 1910s (and, preferably, latest decades if
possible).
Use oldest DAA material only as some sort of rough
guide for exploration.
And dismiss practically all lineages of early-decades
DAAs as much as they present lineage before, say,
1400. There is much higher likelihood that even oldest
DAA yearbooks have not managed to make total dog's
dinner out of 1400s-1600s genealogies;
but I say there is a high likelihood to sup****t my
presumption that oldest DAA genealogies, parts prior
1350 or 1400, represent more something like family
lore and wishful thinking, than solid lineages of
historically attested persons.


all that said,
the AT you presented -while I have not (yet) checked
those details from, for example, DAA-
looks like there could be some solid parts too, not
everything needs to be total bogus.

and remember, not even the noble Danes did generally
use noble surnames before c1530, the point when King
Frederick I ordered his nobility to take surnames.
You shouldn't believe too much in those surnames
presented all around in the internet.

also, to mention a reminiscence: Some article(s) I
have now only a distant reminiscence about, iirc have
shown that there has been some bogus in some people's
claims to have descended from counts of Everstein in
Denmark.
As far as I gather, counts were attractive to be
descended from, and such invented genealogies
seemingly flourished in later centuries; but more
rigorous research then showed that one or a few female
linkages in such do not hold water (in the sense of
historical attestability) or is even a fabrication.




     
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 3 Posts in Topic:
A completely bogus Danish line?
"M.Sjostrom" &l  2008-05-07 18:19:05 
Re: A completely bogus Danish line?
"Finn Holbek" &  2008-05-11 01:06:46 
Re: A completely bogus Danish line?
"Finn Holbek" &  2008-05-11 17:18:24 

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