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Re: Another C.P. Addition: Maud de Holand,

by "Alan Grey" <arvikagrey01@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 07:52 AM

Comments to queries are below.

> C.P. vi. p 530 note (i) mentions Maud, daughter of Sir Robert de Holand,
who
> married Sir Thomas de Swynnerton, citing W. Salt Soc., vol vii. pt 2, p
40.
> It should be worthwhile following up.


Or not.  He records the marriage, but does not cite any source.


> >Maud, then wife of Sir Thomas de Swinnerton, is stated to be holding
> >the manors of Ryarsh, Kent and Crick, Northampton****re for life.  That
> >Maud de Swinnerton is the same person as Maud de Holand is confirmed
> >by Canon Bridgeman who re****ted that there was formerly in Swinnerton
> >Church an effigy of a woman over whom was written, Mati[l]dis de
> >Swynnerton [that is Maud de Swinnerton], with a ****eld giving the arms
> >of Holand, viz: Azure, sémée of fleurs-de-lys argent, a lion rampant
> >guardant argent.
> >
>
> What is the citation for Canon Bridgeman's re****t?  Does he give a
source
> and, if so, what?  What sort of date was the ****eld and was it really
> coloured?  Or were the tinctures added by Bridgeman?  Presumably there
would
> have been other coats of arms, e.g. a cross flory for Swinnerton.


For what it is worth, Bridgeman cites "Stafford****re Collections ;
being MS. No. 383 in the William Salt Library." as his source.


> >Maud de Holand, widow of Sir Thomas de Swinnerton, was known to be
> >living in 1364–1365.
>
> What is the evidence for this please?


This statement would seem to be based on a grant in 38 Edw. III. by
Robert de Swynnerton to his trustees "of two parts of the manor of
Barowe, and of the advowson of the chapel of that manor, and the
reversion of the third part then held in dower by Matilda de
Swynnerton."  This is re****ted in Canon Bridgeman's, Account of the
Family of Swynnerton, Staff. Hist. Coll., Vol. VII, Part II, p.42.  He
cites "Ormerod's "Che****re," Vol. II., p. 185, from Grosvenor MSS.
XXI., 5, p. 9." as his source .

For what it is worth, Bridgeman does not identify this woman as the
widow of Sir Thomas de Swynnerton.  He states, "Whether this was the
same Matilda who held the manor of Rushton Spencer in dower in 1356,
and presented to Swynnerton Church in 1358, or another Dame Matilda,
the relict of Sir Thomas, I am unable to determine. I rather think
that there were three widows Matilda de Swynnerton living about this
time, who were respectively the relicts of Sir Roger, the father, and
his two sons, Sir Roger and Sir Thomas de Swynnerton, if, indeed, the
wife of Sir Thomas survived him."

Alan R Grey
 




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