On May 12, 3:52 pm, "Alan Grey" <arvikagre...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Comments to queries are below.
>
> > C.P. vi. p 530 note (i) mentions Maud, daughter of Sir Robert de
Holand,=
who
> > married Sir Thomas de Swynnerton, citing W. Salt Soc., vol vii. pt 2,
p =
40.
> > It should be worthwhile following up.
>
> Or not. He records the marriage, but does not cite any source.
>
> > >Maud, then wife of Sir Thomas de Swinnerton, is stated to be holding
> > >the manors of Ryarsh, Kent and Crick, Northampton****re for life.
That
> > >Maud de Swinnerton is the same person as Maud de Holand is confirmed
> > >by Canon Bridgeman who re****ted that there was formerly in Swinnerton
> > >Church an effigy of a woman over whom was written, Mati[l]dis de
> > >Swynnerton [that is Maud de Swinnerton], with a ****eld giving the
arms
> > >of Holand, viz: Azure, s=E9m=E9e of fleurs-de-lys argent, a lion
rampan=
t
> > >guardant argent.
>
> > What is the citation for Canon Bridgeman's re****t? Does he give a
sourc=
e
> > and, if so, what? What sort of date was the ****eld and was it really
> > coloured? Or were the tinctures added by Bridgeman? Presumably there
w=
ould
> > have been other coats of arms, e.g. a cross flory for Swinnerton.
>
> For what it is worth, Bridgeman cites "Stafford****re Collections ;
> being MS. No. 383 in the William Salt Library." as his source.
>
> > >Maud de Holand, widow of Sir Thomas de Swinnerton, was known to be
> > >living in 1364=961365.
>
> > What is the evidence for this please?
>
> This statement would seem to be based on a grant in 38 Edw. III. by
> Robert de Swynnerton to his trustees "of two parts of the manor of
> Barowe, and of the advowson of the chapel of that manor, and the
> reversion of the third part then held in dower by Matilda de
> Swynnerton." This is re****ted in Canon Bridgeman's, Account of the
> Family of Swynnerton, Staff. Hist. Coll., Vol. VII, Part II, p.42. He
> cites "Ormerod's "Che****re," Vol. II., p. 185, from Grosvenor MSS.
> XXI., 5, p. 9." as his source .
>
> For what it is worth, Bridgeman does not identify this woman as the
> widow of Sir Thomas de Swynnerton. He states, "Whether this was the
> same Matilda who held the manor of Rushton Spencer in dower in 1356,
> and presented to Swynnerton Church in 1358, or another Dame Matilda,
> the relict of Sir Thomas, I am unable to determine. I rather think
> that there were three widows Matilda de Swynnerton living about this
> time, who were respectively the relicts of Sir Roger, the father, and
> his two sons, Sir Roger and Sir Thomas de Swynnerton, if, indeed, the
> wife of Sir Thomas survived him."
>
> Alan R Grey
So Sir Thomas Swynnerton may well have married Maud Holand (after her
marriage with Mowbray apparently did not happen) and then have married
another Maud who had been the wife of John le Latimer?
Doug Smith
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