What changed so that you now believe Eve was Gilbert's sister rather
than his daughter, as you proposed in your post of 2004, below?
"If I had to venture a guess, I would think a good bet is that Eve,
wife of Nicholas Tregoz and Robert de Valoines, was probably the
daughter of Gilbert Pecche (died 1291) by his 1st wife, Maud de
Hastings, which Maud was a possible daughter of Henry de Hastings, by
Ada of Huntingdon. If so, the Hastings-Huntingdon connection would
explain the later intermarriage between the Valoines and Comyn
families. The Comyn family was Scottish, as was Ada de Huntingdon's
family.
I read someplace that Gilbert Pecche (died 1291) was styled "king's
kinsman," which statement is probably true. Unfortunately, I haven't
found the specific citation to verify this allegation. Gilbert's
mother, also named Eve, was a foreigner. My guess is that Eve was a
near kinswoman of King Henry III of England. If correct, then it
would explain why Gilbert Pecche was called "king's kinsman" and why
Eve (_____) (Tregoz) de Valoines was called "king's cousin.""
CE Wood
On May 14, 12:06 pm, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> Sir Gilbert Pecche, Knt., 1st Lord Pecche, was styled "king's kinsman"
> by King Edward II of England [Reference: Tout, The Place of the Reign
> of Edward II in English Hist. (1914): 395].
>
> The reference to Tout's comments may be viewed at the following
> weblink:
>
>
http://search.live.com/books/#q=3D%22king's%20kinsman%22&filter=3Dall&pag.=
...
>
> Tout suggests (correctly I think) that the kin****p betyween Gilbert
> Pecche to the king comes through Gilbert Pecche's paternal
> grandmother, Eve, wife of Hamon Pecche, which lady is known to have
> been foreign born [see Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 335, footnote b).
> If so, it would seem that Eve Pecche was probably a near relative to
> one of the foreign born queens of England. In 1242, for example, Eve
> Pecche had license to go abroad.
>
> We can be reasonably sure that Sir Gilbert Pecche was not related to
> King Edward II of England through the English oryal family itself, as
> Sir Gilbert's mother, Joan de Creye, is known to have married first to
> Richard de Dover, a great-grandson of King John [see C.P. 10 (1945):
> 335=96336 (sub Pecche)]. Had Gilbert Pecche's father also been a
> descendant of the English royal family, then Gilbert's parents would
> have needed to obtain a dispensation for affinity when they married.
>
> Another helpful clue is the reference to Eve , widow of Robert de
> Valoines, being styled =93king=92s cousin=94 to King Edward I of England
> [Reference: Cal. IPMs 2 (1906): 247; see also C.P. 12(2) (1959): 150
> (sub Ufford)]. Due to the given name, Eve, I have speculated that Eve
> de Valoines (died 1292) was a sister of Sir Gilbert Pecche, Knt., and
> thus named for Gilbert's grandmother, Eve Pecche the foreigner.
>
> If Gilbert Pecche and Eve de Valoines were in fact siblings, then the
> connection to one of the the foreign born queens would necessarily
> date before King Edward I's queen, Eleanor of Castile.
>
> We're afforded one other possible clue to the identity of Sir Gilbert
> Pecche's grandmother, Eve Pecche. Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 334
> tells us that the marriage of this Eve's husband, Hamon Pecche, was
> granted in 1213 to Hugh de Boves, a French knight. Hugh de Boves was
> not near related to the English royal family, but he might well have
> had a near kinswoman that was. My research indicates that Sir Hugh
> de Boves was styled "kinsman" [nepoti] by Hugh de Gournay in 1210
> [Reference: Gurney, The record of the house of Gournay (1858): 763].
> This reference can be found at the following weblink:
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=3DgFUBAAAAQAAJ&pg=3DPA763&lpg=3DPA763&dq=
=3D%...
>
> The kin****p of Hugh de Boves and Hugh de Gournay is elsewhere noted in
> the recent book, The Norman Frontier in the Twelfth and Early
> Thirteenth Centuries (2004), by Daniel Power, pg. 359. This citation
> may be viewed at the following weblink:
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=3DUrjF6T6JZvYC&pg=3DPA359&dq=3D%22Hugh+de=
+...
>
> For interest's sake, I should note that there is at least one 17th
> Century New World immigrant that descends from Sir Gilbert Pecche,
> Knt., 1st Lord Pecche, namely Jane (Lawrence) Giddings, of New
> England. As for Eve (_____), widow of Robert de Valoines, I find that
> she is ancestral to over 50 New World immigrants, who are listed
> below.
>
> This matter deserves further research.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>
> + + + + + + + + + + + +
> List of Colonial Immigrants descended from Eve (_____) de Valoines
> (died 1292).
>
> l. Elizabeth Alsop.
>
> 2. Henry, Thomas & William Batte.
>
> 3. Anne Baynton.
>
> 4. William Bladen.
>
> 5. George & Nehemiah Blakiston.
>
> 6. Thomas Booth.
>
> 7. Elizabeth Bosvile.
>
> 8. George, Giles & Robert Brent.
>
> 9. Obadiah Bruen.
>
> 10. Stephen Bull.
>
> 11. Nathaniel Burrough.
>
> 12. Elizabeth Butler.
>
> 13. Charles Calvert.
>
> 14. Edward Carleton.
>
> 15. Kenelm Cheseldine.
>
> 16. Grace Chetwode.
>
> 17. Jeremy Clarke.
>
> 18. William Clopton.
>
> 19. St. Leger Codd.
>
> 20. Francis Dade.
>
> 21. Anne Derehaugh.
>
> 22. Edward Digges.
>
> 23. Thomas Dudley.
>
> 24. John Fenwick.
>
> 25. Henry Fleete.
>
> 26. Muriel Gurdon.
>
> 27. Jane Haviland.
>
> 28. Warham Horsmanden.
>
> 29. Anne Humphrey.
>
> 30. Edmund Jennings.
>
> 31. Edmund, Edward, Richard, & Matthew Kempe.
>
> 32. Roger & Thomas Mallory.
>
> 33. Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield.
>
> 34. Anne & Katherine Marbury.
>
> 35. Elizabeth Marshall.
>
> 36. Anne Mauleverer.
>
> 37. Philip & Thomas Nelson.
>
> 39. Ellen Newton.
>
> 40. Thomas Owsley.
>
> 41. John Oxenbridge.
>
> 42. Herbert Pelham.
>
> 43. Henry & William Randolph.
>
> 44. Thomas Rudyard.
>
> 45. Katherine Saint Leger.
>
> 46. Maria Johanna Somerset.
>
> 47. John Stockman.
>
> 48. Jemima Waldegrave.
>
> 49. John West.
>
> 50. Thomas Wingfield.
>
> 51. Hawte Wyatt.
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