On May 31, 7:25 pm, "AaronParmen...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<AaronParmen...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 31, 8:39 pm, t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:> On May 31, 5:03 pm, "Dora
Smith" <villan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > I will be very interested in seeing the comparison of the Y DNA Of
members
> > > of this list with both Charlemagne's, and that of the skeletons dug
up at
> > > Stonehenge.
>
> > I would very much doubt if anyone matched that of Charlemagne, if we
> > even had a 'Charlemagne' sample, which we don't (nor is this likely to
> > change). In fact, I bet there aren't that many participants here that
> > can trace their male line to anywhere that formed part of
> > Charlemagne's realm. As to Stonehenge, my bet would be that any Y DNA
> > they would get from the bones is likely to be a spot-on match of the
> > person who excavated them, or the person who cleaned them,. . . . taf
>
> Really? taffy is really daffy. As Dora suggested, how about some
> thoughtful response and not just always being a naysayer!
The problem here is that you have not the knowledge to evaluate
anything 'thoughtful'. There is a difference between naysaying, and
an appropriate appreciation for the science underlying the techniques
that you throw around with such cavalier disregard that only true
ignorance could allow. I made you this suggestion before. Do a PCR
reaction. Then we'll talk.
> First of all, there are the
> bones of Robert the Bruce King of Scotland and William I The Conqueror
> King of England and someday, well, with care, a tooth will be
> extracted
> from each under the right conditions and lo! and behold, these royal
> TWO DESCENDANTS of Charlemagne will be marked for the record.
Just waive your magic wand, eh? Do, please, educate yourself before
saying things this inane. You are truly without a clue when it comes
to DNA.
These two individuals share neither a female nor a male descent from
Charlemagne's kindred. The fact that there is no female descent means
that you can't do mtDNA, and your task just got 1000 times harder
(because there are 1000 times fewer copies of any other DNA sequence,
which means you need 1000 times better preservation to be able to see
the latter). The fact that they have no male descent means there is no
op****tunity for Y DNA analysis, which means that you could only
possibly test autosomal chromosomes, and because you only inherit 50%
with each generation, given the number of generations to William the
C you now have 1000 times less chance of any sequence coming from
Charlemagne (for William, for Robert it would be even worse).
Combined, then, your job is 1,000,000 times harder, but wait, there's
more. The male line is the male line, and we know exactly which line
of descent is being traced, and what DNA is involved; the same with
the mtDNA and the female line. For autosomal DNA, we haven't a clue,
so you are not just looking for a needle in a haystack, with a 1 in
1000 chance of the DNA you assay being from Charlemagne, but you can't
tell which is and which isn't - you are looking for a specific piece
of hay in a haystack, but you don't know what the piece of hay you
seek looks like or how it differs from the rest of the stack. It can't
be done.
> The DNA from other burials at Stonehenge which have not been unearthed
> yet. taffy probably does not know of the burial found there dressed
> in gold, et al. So much his feeble mind cannot comprehend. Why?
In the ground, out of the ground, they are still not likely to give
any useful DNA. They are old and they are wet, that's two strikes
against. Cave sites, yes. Ground burials, not likely. The water means
they will have undergone significant contamination, and worse,
significant depurination, which stops PCR in its tracks and any
attempt to repair it introduces errors that affect the outcome.
Now, from your end, your pathetic imitation of Triumph the Insult
Comic Dog may give you a little ego boost when you read your own
posts, but all we see on this end is a sad person who has to learn of
his own ignorance the hard way, like a child who repeatedly urinates
into the wind without the sense to turn around.
taf
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