On Jul 2, 4:16 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
[snip]
> Alice (South) Stringers four grandparents were:
>
> John South of Keelby and of Fotherby died 17 Apr 1591 buried at Keelby
>
> Alice Twidale bur 4 May 1605 aet 60 Keelby, Will dated 27 Apr 1605,
> proved (CPC) 19 Jun 1605
>
> Anthony Irby of Whaplode died Sep 1625
>
> Alice Welby died Apr 1602
>
> Anthony Irby and Alice Welby were also the parents of that Sir Anthony
> Irby who in Feb 1603 married Elizabeth Peyton and were thus ancestral
> to Sarah Ferguson by further descent.
>
> Leo has the marriage of Anthony Irby to Alice Welby and a date of 22
> Dec 1575.
>
> Alice Welby's ascent can then be traced in 12 steps back to the
> English throne through her mother, or 14 steps through her father.
>
> Will Johnson
In another post in this thread, I mentioned that there was some
question whether Alice Welby, wife of Anthony Irby, was the daughter
of Thomas Welby by Elizabeth Thimbleby (who was of royal descent) or
by an unknown first wife of Thomas Welby.
I think the argument for this is that Alice (said to be the third
daughter) was married in 1575 and is said to have already been a widow
of NN Tasher. Also, her next elder sister Mary is said to have mar.
in 1572. Since Thomas Welby and Elizabeth Thimbleby married in 1560,
either Thomas was very big into child marriages (presumably including
his 1st daughter Katherine who mar. Sir Robert Pulvertoft), or there
must have been a first wife who was the mother of these daughters.
Obviously this could be resolved if baptismal records could be found
for these daughters. FWIW, Douglas Richardson in RPA and MCA reaches
the same conclusion regarding an known first wife (not that this makes
it right, of course!). But, if so, the royal connection through Alice
Welby's mother disappears.
What is the royal connection for Thomas Welby? I know that he has
Thimbleby ancestry himself, but I can't immediately connect him to his
[known] wife's Thmbleby relations, which would hive him a royal
descent [or two].
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