Dear Doug
Someone who still follows Gen-Med made me aware that you had made an
observation in which you disagreed with the mother of Catherine Stewart I
have. Hereby one of my reasonings why I haven't changed that. Please read
all the messages, most are very short.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Wife of Roger Bigod,2nd Earl of Norfolk (Ida de Tosny or
> Isabella Plantagenet)
>
>
>> Dear ,
>>
>> I do not see logic in the below
>>
>> He says he disagrees with me
>>
>> Then one source says A
>> another says B
>>
>> Just because Burke's Landed Gentry in Scotland says one wife had two
>> daugters (without naming them) and another source SP lists her as a
>> second daughter but who made that list and based on what? Has it any
>> relation to Landed Gentry? I think not.
>> To me it appears that Burke's 1999 is the most recent voice which says
>> Sinclair not Douglas
>>
>> Now another point
>>
>> I have by Douglas two daughters
>> Janet-- married contract 14 October 1474
>> Elizabeth married before 1483
>>
>> by Sinclair
>> Catherine who married and had two children then her husband remarries
>> "before 26 February 1509" 35 years after Janet married and 26 after
>> Elizabeth married.
>>
>> I think Catherine died young after giving birth to only two children
and
>> her husband married quickly as his son by Catherine died "in infancy".
My
>> guess is roughly that Catherine married about 1505 or 1506, still 31
>> years after Janet and 18 after Elizabeth. That huge gap to me implies
>> dfifferent mothers. What do you think?
>> Leo
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ian Fettes" To: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: Wife of Roger Bigod,2nd Earl of Norfolk (Ida de Tosny or
>> Isabella Plantagenet)
>>
>>
>>> Hi Leo,
>>>
>>> It was spelt out in the email I forwarded.
>>>
>>> He said:
>>>
>>>> I tend to Margaret Douglas. Here is what my file says about this:
>>>>
>>>> "We take her to be a daughter of Douglas because Burke's [Landed
Gentry
>>>> the Kingdom
>>>> in Scotland, much more reputable than earlier Burke's] says Douglas
had
>>>> two daughters, and she is listed 2nd in SP
>>>>
>>>> Also, SP under Forbes, IV: 54 says she is second daughter of the Earl
>>>> of Atholl,
>>>> which would make her by Douglas
>>>>
>>>> However, Burke's Peerage 1999 says she was by Sinclair
>>>>
>>>> CP says Douglas"
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> To: Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Wife of Roger Bigod,2nd Earl of Norfolk (Ida de Tosny or
>>> Isabella Plantagenet)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear
>>>> I have not seen Doug McDonald's logic, and so do not know. I do not
>>>> have his e-mail address and so cannot ask.
>>>> Leo
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: To: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Wife of Roger Bigod,2nd Earl of Norfolk (Ida de Tosny or
>>>> Isabella Plantagenet)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Leo,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Spencer just lurks these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> The message was from Doug McDonald though - he responded to an
earlier
>>>>> user and then explained the one thing where he differed from you.
It
>>>>> seemed reasonable logic to me. Perhaps a note on the person might
>>>>> explain the alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> To: Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:40 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Wife of Roger Bigod,2nd Earl of Norfolk (Ida de Tosny
or
>>>>> Isabella Plantagenet)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> See below
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: To: "Leo van de Pas" <Leovdpas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:02 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Fw: Wife of Roger Bigod,2nd Earl of Norfolk (Ida de Tosny
or
>>>>>> Isabella Plantagenet)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Leo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may not be getting Gen-Med at the moment, but you might like
to
>>>>>>> review Doug's comments here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, I wasn't familiar with that site.
>>>>>>>>>> It is, by far, the best, most reliable, site for medieval
>>>>>>>>>> genealogy.
>>>>>>>>>> Leo really tries to avoid mistakes. He and I disagree in only
>>>>>>>>>> a very very few places, and in only one of those am I quite
>>>>>>>>>> sure he is wrong and that is who the mother of Catherine
Stewart,
>>>>>>>>>> wife of the 6th Lord Forbes, was.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doug McDonald
>>>>>> ----------------------- Dear , in most ungracious manner Bill
Arnold
>>>>>> aka Fluffy Bill demanded I changed the mother of this Catherine
>>>>>> Stewart. I spelled out where I got the infomation from and asked
him
>>>>>> to supply a better more reliable source and as nothing came back, I
>>>>>> intend to leave it as is. Does this mean Spencer Hines has
returned?
>>>>>> Leo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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