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cuckoos in the Rurikid nest

by "M.Sjostrom" <qsj5@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 4, 2008 at 01:45 AM

as far as I understand,
Konstantin Yuriyevich, prince of Obolensk, is attested as late as in
1360s.
His alleged grandfather, Michael of Chernigov, was killed by Mongols in
1246, as an elderly man.

120 years is an axtraordinarily lengthy period for one's grandson yet be
flouri****ng. It rather creates a suspicion that it's not a grandson, that
there could be other things suspect in the alleged pedigree too, and so
forth.

Now, another factual set puts the male-line descent from the Michael of
Chernigov to:
- Konstantin of Obolensk, and
- his alleged brother, the ancestor of the Volkonsky
under suspicion. Actually, in face of genetical evidence, those two
brothers seemingly cannot be Rurikids.
(Because, the Puzyna are Rurikids and a few lines of Monomakhids are
attested Rurikids and line of Staridub are Rurikids, all of these having
essentially the same y DNA)
The y-DNA results are in:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mozhayski/teksty/ydna.html

On how firm basis are traditional genealogies, making Konstantin of
Obolensk and the princes of Volkonsk as male-line descendants of Michael
of Chernigov (who himself probably was a genetical Rurikid) ?
What do near-contem****ary sources actually say? Could Konstantin and his
father (Georgiy ?), be male-line Polish (Poles) also in light of
near-contem****ary sources, instead of being male-line Rurikids?
 




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cuckoos in the Rurikid nest
"M.Sjostrom" &l  2008-07-04 01:45:37 
Re: cuckoos in the Rurikid nest
William Earl Haskell <  2008-07-15 22:35:20 
Re: cuckoos in the Rurikid nest
lostcooper@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-16 21:18:14 

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