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Re: Beyond GEDCOM

by Peter J Seymour <moz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 19, 2007 at 09:00 AM

David Harper wrote:
> Lars Eighner wrote:
> 
>> Here is the problem:  GEDCOM has become the de facto standard for
family
>> history and geneology data.  And the problem with that is that the 
>> Mormons
>> own GEDCOM and thus it is rife with built-in religious limitations.
> 
> 
> That's an unfair characterisation of both the Mormons and of the GEDCOM 
> format, in my view.
> 
> Whatever you may think of the LDS Church, the genealogy community has 
> much to thank them for.  Without them, a huge amount of genealogical 
> data would be locked away in government archives instead of available 
> for us to use.
> 
> And this was true even before the rise of the Internet.  The LDS Church 
> paid to have priceless resources such as British census returns copied 
> onto microfilm, and their family history centres were open to everyone.
> 
> For the record, incidentally, I'm not a member of the LDS Church, or 
> indeed any church.  I'm just an amateur genealogist whose research in 
> the 1980s wouldn't have got very far, were it not for the resources 
> provided by the Mormons.
> 
> As to the GEDCOM format, it originated with the LDS Church, and they 
> maintain the standard, but at least it is an open standard that any 
> developer of genealogy software can use without having to pay a licence 
> fee or sign a non-disclosure agreement.
> 
> That very openness is why every major piece of genealogy software can 
> im****t and ex****t GEDCOM files.
> 
>> As you might expect, GEDCOM does not allow you to enter a family 
>> created by
>> same-*** marriage or civil unions even where they are lawful.  But 
>> there are
>> other limitations.  For example, in GEDCOM 5.xx, an adopted child does 
>> not
>> belong to his family.  When he looks up his family in a
GEDCOM-compliant
>> file, he is not there.  How needlessly hurtful is that?
> 
> 
> There are three separate issues here.
> 
> First, adoption.  The GEDCOM 5.5 standard includes two different ways to

> specify an adoptive relation****p, as well as providing a way to indicate

> both the adoptive family and the biological family of an individual.  It

> even includes a way to describe a foster-family relation****p.
> 
> So, it is plain wrong to imply that an adopted child cannot be linked to

> both his adoptive family and his birth family in a GEDCOM file, 
> provided, of course, that his birth family is known.
> 
> Second, civil unions.  There is no reason why a civil union between a 
> man and a woman cannot be represented in a GEDCOM file.  If you do not 
> wish to record it as a marriage, that's fine.  GEDCOM provides a generic

> event tag which can be used to describe all manner of events outside 
> those specifically catered for.  You can add a civil union ceremony via 
> that route, if your genealogy application is smart enough.
> 
> Finally, same-*** marriages.  Okay, you have a point here.  GEDCOM 
> defines a family unit to be a husband and a wife, plus children.
> 
> That's pretty much the only type of family unit you'll encounter in 
> historical records, which makes up most of the data in the vast majority

> of GEDCOM files.
> 
> Same-*** marriage is still a very new phenomenon, and the GEDCOM 
> standard hasn't caught up with the changing zeitgeist.  Then again, 
> neither have the governments of most of the countries of the world, and 
> to be frank, I consider that to be a greater injustice than the fact 
> that the GEDCOM standard doesn't allow it.
> 
> David Harper
> Cambridge, England
Just one quibble: In the UK "same-*** marraige" is called a "civil 
union" which avoids the inappropriate use of the word marriage. 
"Marriage" in this context may be defined as a male-female partner****p 
regulating the owner****p of property and also usually involving the 
begetting and raising of children. A same-*** partner****p simply can't 
do the latter part. It may have relevance to genealogy, but it is on a 
lesser scale of im****tance than marriage.

Peter
 




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Beyond GEDCOM
Lars Eighner <usenet@[  2007-07-17 05:34:54 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2007-07-17 09:06:49 
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"the_verminator@[EMA  2007-07-17 09:30:53 
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melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-17 16:39:26 
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Lars Eighner <usenet@[  2007-07-17 17:10:04 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2007-07-17 23:34:42 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2007-07-18 01:05:01 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2007-07-19 00:04:34 
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melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-17 18:00:30 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2007-07-18 01:08:21 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2007-07-18 01:00:17 
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Ernie Wright <erniew@[  2007-07-17 22:00:22 
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melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-18 02:07:01 
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Denis Beauregard <deni  2007-07-17 22:50:33 
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melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-18 03:55:19 
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Denis Beauregard <deni  2007-07-18 00:41:29 
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mojaveg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-18 07:45:07 
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Denis Beauregard <deni  2007-07-18 12:31:00 
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Peter J Seymour <moz@[  2007-07-18 18:19:54 
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Denis Beauregard <deni  2007-07-18 15:43:14 
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Peter J Seymour <moz@[  2007-07-19 09:09:58 
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Lars Eighner <usenet@[  2007-07-19 09:14:11 
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singhals <singhals@[EM  2007-07-21 10:56:29 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2007-07-18 23:58:02 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2007-07-19 10:22:08 
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Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2007-07-18 17:50:32 
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Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2007-07-18 23:51:48 
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mojaveg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-19 07:51:33 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2007-07-20 18:39:44 
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Peter J Seymour <moz@[  2007-07-18 08:47:20 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2007-07-18 14:05:21 
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melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-18 05:07:44 
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Denis Beauregard <deni  2007-07-18 01:28:44 
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David Harper <devnull@  2007-07-18 19:07:36 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
Peter J Seymour <moz@[  2007-07-19 09:00:00 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
Peter J Seymour <moz@[  2007-07-19 09:13:07 
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Ian Goddard <goddai01@  2007-07-19 10:24:39 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2007-07-19 16:42:12 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
Lars Eighner <usenet@[  2007-07-19 18:06:14 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
"the_verminator@[EMA  2007-07-18 12:47:11 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
singhals <singhals@[EM  2007-07-18 17:26:51 
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mojaveg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-19 07:51:29 
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melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-18 20:53:11 
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"the_verminator@[EMA  2007-07-19 15:58:31 
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melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-19 23:29:52 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
Wes Groleau <groleau+n  2007-07-20 01:50:46 
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"the_verminator@[EMA  2007-07-19 18:47:12 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-20 02:28:10 
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mojaveg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-20 11:12:29 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
Hugh Watkins <hugh.wat  2007-07-21 05:12:51 
Re: Beyond GEDCOM
melsonr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-07-20 19:39:25 

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